EP:331 | The Secrets to Spraying Success

This week we’re joined in studio by spraying experts Twinky Estes and Bryson Whitmon of Nutrien Ag Solutions. We thoroughly discuss the benefits and techniques of sprayer calibration and the nuances of spraying effectively. There are so many benefits to spraying but so many confusing questions. We ask about calibrating the sprayer, boomless vs. booms, how to mix, cleaning the tank, water pH, speed of spraying, gallons per acre and per minute, safety, when to spray and much more. If your managing a property and considering using herbicides you’ll find this one very informative. 

Listen, Learn, Enjoy. 

Determine Nozzle Spacing in inches 

Ex. 25ft spray pattern boomless nozzle is 300”. Most boom sprayers are 20” nozzle spacing Determine you MPH (Miles Per Hour) you’re going to apply at. Catch water for 15 seconds. Take those fluid ounces x 4 to get ounces per minutes. Divide ounces per minutes by 128 to get GPM (Gallons per Minute) 

GPA = GPM x 5940 / MPH x Width 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

I'm Jeff Foxworthy, and welcome to Gamekeeper Podcast. If you want to learn more about farming for wildlife and habitat management, then buddy, you are in the right place. Join the Gamekeeper crew direct from Baltiok Land Enhancement Studio as they discuss the latest wildlife and habitat management practices. News, and of course, honey. There's no telling what you'll learn, but I'm gonna tell you, I bet it's interesting. Enjoy.

SPEAKER_05 0:26

We're live in three, two, one.

SPEAKER_10 0:29

Well, uh, look, this has been a rough week. The turkeys are not cooperating. The turkeys are not cooperating, and that's the main problem right now. But we're getting towards the end of the season. Is the honeysuckle blooming? It is it's in full bloom. It's in full bloom, you know, it's a little wine now. It's crazy how, you know, one week ago they were hot as a firecracker, and then it's like the switch turns off.

SPEAKER_07 0:50

Yeah, I hadn't gotten a picture of a hen in what, a week and a half. I think they're most of them are just straight up sitting on the nest full time.

SPEAKER_10 0:57

Yeah, I think so too.

SPEAKER_08 0:58

Well, we always, you know, it seems like we bring up wives' tails all the time. That the honeysuckle is is one when you supposedly when you can smell that honeysuckle blooming.

SPEAKER_07 1:06

We need to come up with a native plant instead of an invasive plant for for that.

SPEAKER_10 1:11

For an indicator? Yeah. An indicator species. That's true. So that would be that would be your wheelhouse.

SPEAKER_07 1:16

All right, I'll work on that.

SPEAKER_08 1:17

Yeah, there you go. I just kind of think of honeysuckle as a it is, it's here to stay.

SPEAKER_07 1:21

You're not making that one go away.

SPEAKER_08 1:24

I love honeysuckle. I I like it. What do you like so much about it? Well, as a kid, I would pull those little bags and get them. Yeah, they smell good.

SPEAKER_10 1:32

Yeah. And it's, I mean, I know it's invasive, but isn't it a pretty good deer forage? They love it. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:37

I don't think baby birds like to run around in it, but two tangles. Yeah. It's here. Uh another one that uh is invasive that is here to stay, that's pretty good for wildlife is Brazil Vervane.

SPEAKER_08 1:49

So put that in your thank you. Put that in your pocket. Yeah. All right. Let me set the table today. We've got a couch full of folks over there. Yeah. We've got uh two guys from Nutrient that are experts in the subject matter we're gonna talk about. Twinkie Estes has been here before. Twinkie's kind of a legend with the company and a legend in the golden triangle.

SPEAKER_10 2:13

In the golden triangle, yeah, yeah. Probably, you know, a good east side of Mississippi is pretty legendary.

SPEAKER_08 2:18

Yeah, he really is. Twinkie at one time, legend has it, threw a wild pig in the window at uh maybe a fast food joint here in West Point. Is that true, true or false?

SPEAKER_06 2:29

That was not me, but that was one of my counterparts.

SPEAKER_08 2:32

Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_10 2:33

No names. We won't mention any names. No names.

SPEAKER_08 2:35

All right.

SPEAKER_10 2:36

But it did it did make the uh national news. National news. Yeah, sure it did. Put West Point on the map. How about that?

SPEAKER_08 2:44

So sitting next to another nutrient guy who is a calibration specialist, and that's what we're gonna be talking about. Yeah, spraying. Yes.

SPEAKER_10 2:54

Look at it's the time of year to talk about spraying for sure.

SPEAKER_08 2:56

Lanny, I'm just glad you're in between us because he's he's so big, he looks like he could squeeze the life out of you. He needs to, he could, I mind you.

SPEAKER_07 3:03

So look, if I say anything offensive, they're making that couch look like a love seat over there.

SPEAKER_08 3:09

Come on, man. You need to watch your mouth, buddy. Well, we've got Mr. Bryson Whitman.

SPEAKER_09 3:15

Glad to have you. Yeah. And local guys, too. I'm just I just wish y'all would have made Twinkie's head a little bit bigger with his introduction.

SPEAKER_06 3:24

We can't have an autograph section section after The Legend.

SPEAKER_09 3:28

He's got a bright shirt on. That term's used very loosely.

SPEAKER_08 3:32

And I'm looking at both of y'all. How many oysters had to die for you guys to have buttons on y'all shouldn't? You never know when you need to come out of your shirt.

SPEAKER_10 3:40

That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_08 3:48

Oh, so we got Landy here, Dudley's here, Tom's here.

SPEAKER_10 3:52

Missing in action. Talks to the MIA. Where's Mitchell? Where's Rob? What's going on? Richie, where you sent them? You got them out in the field?

SPEAKER_05 3:58

Well, I didn't send them anywhere, I guess. But yeah, they are on the field. Yeah, the Rob and Mitch are down in Florida uh filming with uh Dr. Lashley on his uh one of his. On the Polt study? Yep, on the Polt study, and we've been hearing some great feedback from them, and we're just waiting, uh, excited to see what they bring back.

SPEAKER_07 4:14

So that's a true hero right there. Working during turkey season.

SPEAKER_08 4:19

Well, working with turkeys down there. And I think they got some photos of some baby turns.

SPEAKER_10 4:23

Yeah, we saw a little teasers. Man, it's really cool what they're doing down there. Yeah. Polts hatching.

SPEAKER_05 4:28

Yeah, the timing of it, you know, you don't really get, you know, you can't wait. You know, they they they they pop out when they pop out.

SPEAKER_08 4:34

So John Tatum's here. Glad you're here, John. John Tatum.

SPEAKER_10 4:38

So a little quick fact about John. Did you know John went to school at Mississippi State? Did you pass?

SPEAKER_06 4:46

Quit. Quit.

SPEAKER_10 4:48

Okay, all right. But he went to school at Mississippi State on a on guess what kind of scholarship that I heard this the other day. Was it dancing? It was dancing. Weren't you? Oh, but no, no, no, it wasn't dancing, Bobby. It was band. Yes. What instrument did you play?

SPEAKER_06 5:04

I did not go to Mississippi State on a band scholarship.

SPEAKER_10 5:07

Oh well. Who told us that? You told me. Didn't you play an instrument in college?

unknown 5:13

Junior college.

SPEAKER_08 5:14

Junior college, so that's what it is. Can you play the horns for us so we could re-record that and you play the horns?

SPEAKER_10 5:20

See? I told you. We have a musician. You've been wanting somebody to play live music in the studio, and he's sitting right there. How about that?

SPEAKER_08 5:28

Well, you know how like a lot of these talk shows had bands. Yeah. I just think it'd be really cool if we had a band in here.

SPEAKER_07 5:34

John John and I took forestry classes together. And uh we we both didn't last very long, but he uh he didn't last quite as long as I did.

SPEAKER_08 5:45

Oh well, how about that?

SPEAKER_07 5:49

But we were probably the most knowledgeable people in the class. We kind of like a just gonna throw that out there.

SPEAKER_08 5:54

Just gonna throw that out there. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_07 5:55

Just ain't good at taking tests.

SPEAKER_08 5:57

So while we're talking about everybody, so Mitchell went with me on his first little assignment. Oh, in Tennessee. On that on where you stayed at a hotel that was so rough, we both slept with pistols that that night. All right. And I'm picturing him. In the same bed? No, it isn't. Okay. But I'm picturing him. He's probably texting his girlfriend or maybe his mama or daddy gone. What have I gotten into? I'm having to sleep with a pistol on the first trip. So anyway, it was a pretty, pretty rough one. But it turned out good though. Yeah, it did.

SPEAKER_10 6:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 6:28

Sure did. All right. So what we're gonna talk about today, we're gonna get really serious and explain how a guy can calibrate his springer because you don't want to put out too much chemistry or chemicals on your plot or not enough. And there's what there's right ways and wrong ways to do this. And I mean the the mathematical way they taught you at Mississippi State, we want to learn that way.

SPEAKER_10 6:49

And then just uh Well, these guys come from a precision ag world. You know, Nutrient has you know is is one of the leaders in those uh in those fields, and you know, there is a little bit of translation between you know that precision ag world and and wildlife farming.

SPEAKER_07 7:03

So um, I I can't tell you how many times I've told people on the phone, you know, this isn't precision agriculture. Yeah, but what they do is precision. On the same note, uh, what's wrong with knowing exactly how to properly do it?

SPEAKER_10 7:18

Yeah, a hundred percent. And just like you know, with all gamekeeping, every year you do something, the next year you're going back, you want to do it a little better. That's just part of the part of the grind.

SPEAKER_09 7:27

So learn as you go.

SPEAKER_10 7:28

Learn as you go, that's right.

SPEAKER_08 7:29

We've been real impressed with Nutrient. From top to bottom, you uh that you guys are it's an impressive company in the what y'all are doing for the world, really. And uh we we just recently met Jeff Tarsi and what a character he is.

SPEAKER_09 7:41

Yeah, I tell you, he's one of a kind, one of the best.

SPEAKER_10 7:44

Yeah, he fit right on in around here.

SPEAKER_09 7:46

Yeah, yeah. Just a good old boy, but he can get he can get get way above your head real quick. He knows a lot.

SPEAKER_10 7:54

Yeah, him and Tyx were sitting on the couch, and I was like, woo.

SPEAKER_07 7:57

Yeah, I hadn't met Jeff yet, but he's he's from one of my very favorite towns in the state of Mississippi, and uh he's a huge Mississippi State fan. Go dog.

SPEAKER_08 8:07

So that's right. Uh he's a character, I'll just say that. He's a he's a lot of fun. So all right. So look, why don't we start with you got some rapid fires for the boys? I do. Why don't we start there and uh we'll we'll turn this over to you and get that.

SPEAKER_07 8:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 8:23

It just gets a little quick question.

SPEAKER_07 8:25

I'm gonna ask you a few technical questions.

SPEAKER_09 8:27

All right. Well, I'll give you an answer if I've got it.

SPEAKER_07 8:31

Dry ribs or wet ribs?

SPEAKER_09 8:32

Dry ribs, dry ribs.

SPEAKER_07 8:35

What's more fun? Prep and planting or managing the crop to harvest?

SPEAKER_09 8:40

Prep and planting. Managing the crop to harvest.

SPEAKER_07 8:42

Uh you're at a fish fry. Do you put fillets or fish on the bone on your plate? Fillets. Fillet. Uh are you OCD about cleaning your guns or are you uh wipe it off on occasion and maybe clean it uh every once in a while, deep clean it?

SPEAKER_06 8:59

Spray a hill coloube and keep rolling. Same.

SPEAKER_07 9:03

Uh hate to ask this during turkey season, but what is your favorite feather to hunt? Doves, turkey, or waterfowl?

SPEAKER_09 9:11

Doves. Doves and ducks.

SPEAKER_07 9:14

Uh name your favorite gas station to get a lunch plate at.

SPEAKER_06 9:18

Texaco, Northside.

SPEAKER_07 9:19

On Sundays, right?

SPEAKER_09 9:22

I just got introduced to that, by the way. That's the real deal.

SPEAKER_07 9:26

It's good, and you got to get there before it's gone, too.

SPEAKER_09 9:28

You got you better be there by 10 45.

SPEAKER_07 9:31

That's hilarious. Um what agricultural crop and intrigues you the most? Cotton. Cotton. Okay. Uh, you had a successful turkey hunt on a beautiful Saturday morning. What would you rather do that afternoon? Go to the lake or the river or go to an SEC baseball game?

SPEAKER_09 9:52

Lake or river. SEC baseball game.

SPEAKER_07 9:55

Heck yeah. Do you keep a clean and organized desk and truck, or do you do you feel more productive or comfortable being just a bit messy?

SPEAKER_06 10:04

Bit messy.

SPEAKER_07 10:05

Unfortunately. You know, Einstein was real messy.

SPEAKER_09 10:10

See, that's what I'm trying to aspire to be.

SPEAKER_07 10:12

What is the busiest time of year for what you do? Springtime. Right now. Today. And and you're taking a whole day to podcast with us. We appreciate that. Okay. Your great uncle passes on to heaven and leaves you with the first choice for one of his three shotguns. What do you choose?

SPEAKER_09 10:32

Well, I can I don't know if it's an option, but I I just tell you a uh Browning A5.

SPEAKER_07 10:38

Okay, that was gonna be the first. Humpback Belgian Browning. There it is. Old nickel steel Winchester model 12 or an early standard weight Remington 870?

SPEAKER_06 10:49

Remington 1187. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 10:52

Same same gun, just automatic. Old standard weight 1187. Yep. Good answers, guys. That's it.

SPEAKER_10 11:00

All right.

SPEAKER_08 11:01

Hey, you didn't put a lot of work into those.

SPEAKER_09 11:03

I feel like we just passed the test to join a Facebook group.

SPEAKER_08 11:06

All right, Delhi, why don't you ask them the first question?

SPEAKER_09 11:09

Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_08 11:10

I just asked him 12 questions in a row. All right, Landon, you want to ask the first question?

SPEAKER_10 11:14

Yeah, I mean, you know, now's the time, you know, for spraying. I mean, if you can just give us a general introduction. I've heard you talk a lot. Y'all both talk a lot about chemicals. Uh, just some basics about, you know, um about about spraying is the best way to put it.

SPEAKER_06 13:30

Oh, I would say before we even start talking about calibration, we should touch on the importance of calibration. One, save you money. Uh because uh you don't waste money on overpouring your chemicals. Two, uh the that way you know, I mean, you pull up to a 10-acre field. If you don't know how your sprayers calibrated, you don't know how much water if you need to tow extra water with you, or if I got enough, or how much chemical. And um by having a your sprayer calibrated, it really on your rates, you don't like I said, you don't over pour, but you also you don't underpour and create resistance by you know a weaker dose of chemicals kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_07 14:11

That's something that we as hunters don't think about as much that we owe to our farming friends is to uh try to keep that resistance at bay.

SPEAKER_10 14:20

Right. Oh and that happens from applying too much chemical. Uh too little, too little, too little, you know.

SPEAKER_09 14:27

You you you hit it. It it takes and and and takes that roundup or whatever in, but it's not a lethal dose. So build resistance.

SPEAKER_06 14:37

It builds resistance, yeah. And it's just that's that and we we see a lot of huge problem with that in a lot of our weed species, you know. When Roundup first come out, it was a silver bullet. You spray it, it killed everything, and now sometimes Roundup you spray it and it's like you is just um surfactant at the end, you know. Umrified glas grass killer. Yeah, I mean it's we sh we hear but people talk about it doesn't touch pig weed and then what what else does it not seem to uh Italian ryegrass that has become, you know, in our part of the world a huge problem here lately in the past several years, I would say. Um Roundup does not phase it. It looks, I mean, and that bears tail, ragweed.

SPEAKER_09 15:21

Yep. There's there's reports of Johnson grass. Uh they're they're actually um not so much in our area here, but a lot of Johnson grass up you get up in the Midwest and and it's water hemp, they have a huge water hemp problem up there.

SPEAKER_07 15:38

I want to say that's related to it's uh related to a pigweed.

SPEAKER_09 15:41

It's in it it's in the palmer family. Uh or you know, the the pigweed family. Amaranth family.

SPEAKER_08 15:48

So uh knowing how to calibrate then is this is yeah, really important stuff. Very important.

SPEAKER_09 15:54

And you know how he was talking about not over pouring, but that that's right. You want to know what you're putting in a tank, but but also too, you want to put enough. Don't don't cheap out. The cheapest trip you can make is the first one and doing it right.

SPEAKER_07 16:08

So can you explain why people shouldn't be following a spot rate for broadcasting over in a big area? Well, because you know, a spot rate like one uh what would you say?

SPEAKER_09 16:25

Just in my head uh immediately whenever you say that, spot spray and you know, mixing up a one-gallon or two-gallon pump-up sprayer and walking around with a hand wand, this is just this is just bryson math here. This is no publication. But best I can tell is whenever you do that, whenever you're walking with that hand wand and you're spraying, typically you're gonna be putting out around somewhere around a 20 gallon per acre spray. Okay. Because you in your head, oh, I gotta hose that down in order to go kill it. You gotta soak it down. So you're getting somewhere around 20 or 25 gallons per acre spot spraying. Well then you mix up that that same dilution of spray, and you might be spraying uh, you know, five gallons per acre broadcast and not know it. Uh you you just go and you fill up your tank and you just wide open, hitting your four-wheeler trails, hitting you hitting your green fields, whatever, and you you don't have a clue what you're putting out. But as long as you're you're driving, you drive a lot faster than you walk, and and you don't you you just think you're doing a good job, but you're probably also thinking that you know, I'm gonna see how far I can go in this tank. Oh yeah. I yeah, if I can stretch this out, I ain't gotta go back to the truck and fill up or drive a mile back back to the to the camphouse to to the water hose to fill up.

SPEAKER_07 17:52

So people will try to argue that, like, you know, how much do I need to put in my 25-gallon four-wheeler tank?

SPEAKER_09 17:59

I tell you the one question that drives me crazy. Ounces per gallon. How many ounces per gallon do I need to put? Well, I can't tell you that because I don't know how many gallons per acre you're putting out.

SPEAKER_07 18:11

Right.

SPEAKER_06 18:11

Chemicals are formulated to put ounces per acre or per square foot or per, you know. It's not it's not it's not we take a 25-gallon sprayer. Well, is it an ounce per gallon or two ounces? Well, we don't know how many acres are you going to cover with that 25 gallon sprayer. So that's where you get up, you mess up with your rates being too less or too much and all that. I have also bryson fied uh formula.

SPEAKER_09 18:38

Okay, what's the bryson formula? Round up a minimum of of three ounces per gallon for for those people that that refuse to follow the per area round. Three ounce three ounces, which is a three percent solution. Uh three ounces per gallon, and and that'll get you a good kill. And and you want to do, you know, if somebody's spraying round up and two four D for a burn down or whatever, they need to they need to do equal parts Roundup and two four D. Three and three. Three and three.

SPEAKER_07 19:07

So you just gave everybody a cheat code.

SPEAKER_09 19:09

I just gave them a cheat code. But I would highly recommend not doing figuring out if you're broadcasting, you know, if you're not spot spraying, if you're filling up a one gallon spot sprayer to go around your house or whatever, do the do the three to four ounces per gallon. That that'll work for you every time. But if you're filling up a 25, 30, 50 gallon sprayer that's in the back of a ranger or on the four-wheeler or whatever, you need to know how much that that sprayer is putting out and and what mile per hour you need to drive out and and all that before you figure out what rate you need to put in the in the tank. Are most chemicals around 10 gallons per acre? That's the optimum GPA. You can get you can get depending on how you're nozzled, so then you get into the question of of you, you know, is it a fine-tipped coarse droplet size? That coverage is key. Coverage is the key. I mean, we got airplanes that that spray thousands and thousands of acres and get a excellent control, and that are only putting out three gallons per acre.

SPEAKER_10 20:17

So to our our listeners, is that fine?

SPEAKER_09 22:48

Because it's that kind of a mist. It's all about it's all about your coverage. Coverage is key.

SPEAKER_07 22:53

Yeah, so when he's saying three gallons an acre, he's talking about like total solution.

SPEAKER_09 22:58

Total solution, not of not of a chemical. I guess. Yeah, of total solution. But typically what we try to shoot for on a ground rig, or as we call it, is uh ten gallons per acre.

SPEAKER_07 23:12

I think a lot of labels used to say like ten to twenty-five. Right. But um, as I guess technology has improved and stuff, if you can get it closer to ten, then you can cover more area on a tank.

SPEAKER_06 23:24

Certain chemicals actually call for more gallons per acre to get the the better coverage.

SPEAKER_09 23:29

It's all about the coverage.

SPEAKER_06 23:30

And it has to do with the size of your target species you're trying to kill, too. I mean, if you if you're out there trying to kill weeds knee high, you're gonna need more water for more coverage to cover all that plant to kill it.

SPEAKER_09 23:40

If you if you wait till if you wait till the end of August to go spray your food plots, odds are you need a lot more water than what you're 20 gallons an acre, probably.

SPEAKER_06 23:51

You know.

SPEAKER_09 23:51

If it's hitting if it's hitting the brush guard on your ranger whenever you're going through their spraying, you need to be putting out more water. Yeah. Yeah. Because you it's you've got so much more plant matter. Right. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_07 24:03

And uh, you know, farmers are probably better at that, at keeping things in check and keeping stuff shorter before they, you know, make a move on something. We usually just show up in August and are like, let's get started. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 24:16

Oh no, look at that.

SPEAKER_07 24:17

Yeah, well But in the meantime, you know, some of that tall stuff may be good cover. Right.

SPEAKER_09 24:22

You know, so we don't always want to keep it looking like a golf course. You're comparing apples and oranges to I mean they they do what they have to do to survive as far as farming, but right a lot of times it is good to have that that cover and browse if you if you got native plants growing in there or whatever, you know, not just salt salt and earth, which is fine because uh we can adjust the solution to do that.

SPEAKER_10 24:49

But well, last year though, when we were working on the non-typical field, I waited and the iron weed got such a jump in it that I wasn't able to control it. Well, I knew if I'd started, you know, three or four weeks earlier, I probably could have controlled it.

SPEAKER_08 25:01

Yep. So let's talk about a spray rig, and maybe a 25-gallon one first.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 25:08

And what are there some attributes? If a guy goes to the local store to buy one, what are there things that you guys would say, man, let's get a boomless one, let's to get this nozzle? What do y'all like?

SPEAKER_09 25:17

Well, we're me and him, we're we're opposites on this on this topic.

SPEAKER_07 25:22

And I that's good. I think it's forward and Chevy, you know.

SPEAKER_06 25:25

I mean, it it could really I love a straight boom with nozzles every 20 inches tips. I think you get a bit better coverage and a better spray pattern, and he And I like a boomless.

SPEAKER_09 25:38

I like to go fast and I don't like to be worried about hitting trees. And man, you know how many times I've sprayed with a boom and clipped a little sapling and it just folded my boom around, and I gotta get off and flip it back around. It just it slows down progress. You get a boomless that that'll throw 30 feet that now we speak in my language. Boom out of China shop.

SPEAKER_07 26:02

So yeah, you were kind of talking about the cons of a boom. You know, it's easy to get it hung up on stuff, you know. When we hunters usually have a bunch of narrow trails. Right. But what would be a negative of a boomless? I mean, it it's just usually just one nozzle in the middle.

SPEAKER_09 26:18

But the ones that I've tip that I've I I like is it's a three three nozzle. It's okay. It's got just a short boom. I mean, it's probably a two foot boom that. stays right behind your rig. It has a center nozzle that has a it's a it's it's a 110 degree nozzle. So you got 80 85 80 degree nozzle and you got 110s. So it's a real it's a lot wider that covers your ranger track. Then it has two nozzles on both ends of this boom that those out. And uh I prefer that one. The the downfall that I see to it is wind. If you get in a in a you know have a gusting situation or a real high wind with that with the boom you can set a boom on the ground and and I mean it's not displacing that solution very much. Right. But with the boomless you're having to throw that solution so far that that wind is is is constricting you on your pattern. So you'll wind up with a with a streaked up field or whatever. But if you're just spraying like your trails or in some of these tight places that you know it might be a eighth or a quarter acre food plot it you're gonna be you'll be fine because it's human nature to you're gonna you're gonna get adequate coverage. You're gonna just you're gonna you're gonna double back on yourself. You don't have guidance you don't have swath control and all that you're you're gonna cover it but that's the one downfall is the wind. You think you have a 30 foot swath but you really may be only putting out a 22 foot swath.

SPEAKER_07 28:09

Right and one side may go 40 and so I can see where somebody uh would be like twinky and want something that's always going to be more precise but I can always see where somebody like me would just rather have that wider swath and it's okay if it misses a little bit.

SPEAKER_09 28:29

Tell you what else works good you can take them tips and turn them up and go down a four-wheeler trail. You ain't got to worry about no limbs here. It'll sear all them back.

SPEAKER_08 28:40

What about PSI?

SPEAKER_09 28:41

Is there a certain size motor that you like to have a minimum the I like the the more gallon it so it's gallons gallons per minute pump it that's what changes how fast you can go. It has nothing to do with how big your tank is none of that it's all about how much gallons per minute your pump is like most pumps if you get a a big system you know a 65 gallon UTV sprayer most of those are going to come with a four gallon per minute pump which is which is fine.

SPEAKER_06 29:16

First thing we did to Iris was pull it off put a seven gallon per minute on there.

SPEAKER_09 29:20

Put a seven that's a game changer. I mean I can run 10 miles an hour and and get it done quick. Yeah I'm I'm I'm shooting for me personally I'm shooting for around seven seven gallons per acre that right wrong indifference seven gallons per minute or eight per acre per acre so you're trying to get that load that way I can do ten acres per I got 65 gallon spray I can do right at 10 acres per load that makes sense and and I can get done a little bit quicker. But the PSI question all every tip that's designed is is designed at a baseline of to to work at its optimum at 40 psi it'll work at 80 or whatever. I mean you can blow it as as high as you want and you're just gonna have a mist coming out I mean the higher the psi the finer the droplet lower the psi the coarser the droplet but the tip to do what it's designed to do needs to be ran at 40 psi I a lot of times on my personal sprayer I'll bump my PSI up to around 50 because the tips that I have on the boomless nozzle throw a lot coarser droplet and I want to get better coverage so I bumped the PSI up to make it more of a fine bead more of a mist right.

SPEAKER_10 30:45

So backing up a little bit you know I I I'm when I'm spraying I always miss something. You know I'll is there any kind of tip I know there's there's GPS units and all that other kind of stuff. Is there any just you know tips you can give us on the ranger or the foiler?

SPEAKER_06 31:00

Pick a tree at the end and don't don't look back. Just stay stay focused once you take your eyes off you're gonna drift to the right or the left and you'll never get lined back up. Yeah uh that's kind of you know just pick you a good set obvious point down there and just keep your eyes on it and never look back but you want a little overlap in your spray yeah yes a little a little overlap just a little not too much yeah so I would rather I would rather have overlap in my spray any day of the week than have a green streak.

SPEAKER_10 31:27

I I always got a streak I can't stand a green streak. We use Onex a lot with the tracking tool you know but I still you know miss a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 31:34

Well you think if you miss uh if you have a green streak and you leave one pigweed that you didn't kill it's just a nest of millions thousands of seeds up there well that's still you're still kind of defeating the purpose there because it's going to germ and spread you want to kill everything out there when you're spreading are y'all going on outside perimeter and working in or are you going down and back and down and back. I ring the field make me an outside pass and then I get down and back just that way you can cut off you can kind of get cut off and turn and you're not over applying on the ends and all that.

SPEAKER_10 32:06

Right when you're turning right that makes sense.

SPEAKER_07 32:08

Yep so Lanny's question was similar and I'm stealing this from Bobby because he was talking about it earlier.

SPEAKER_09 32:15

Do folks use dyes or does that affect the foam I think a foam marker foam markers uh do you have dyes that you can add to the solution I can just tell you I've tried every dye known to man I've tried it at every rate known to man if you're spraying a blue dye on a dark green grass you're not gonna see it.

SPEAKER_06 32:35

Okay good answer you're better you're seeing the sunlight reflect the the moisture off the plant than you are the blue dye.

SPEAKER_09 32:42

And I've heard it can inhibit the uptake a little bit on some chemicals somebody's yard that's you know a Bermuda yard that's mowed down and manicured you can see it.

SPEAKER_07 32:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 32:55

So I'm not saying that it don't work but in what in what we're doing you you you'd be better off just just doing something different.

SPEAKER_07 33:04

Yeah the foam markers I think you can use that like on a a big boom right there's no way you can do that on a boomless I don't know. No I wouldn't think so no it ain't yeah it ain't gonna work.

SPEAKER_06 33:15

So maybe use some of that Bubba method and just drive around with water in it and kind of get used to the width of your pattern um right I'll I will say that I think the boomless nozzles are a little more user friendly because you have one nozzle to worry about rather than 20 across there. Well if you're if you're spraying and the nozzle directly behind a tank stopped up you have no way of seeing it unless somebody calls you says hey man your your nozzle stopped up so then with the boomless you know one nozzle you look back there you know if it's spraying or not so I'll be clean I did that one time uh it especially from chemical to chemical you know you want to clean them out and just every time before I spray I always take my tips off and look at the little mesh filter that's on the inside because you get corrosion from water and it's amazing what shows up in them.

SPEAKER_09 34:05

It's like where'd the I can tell you five minutes of running water through one when you get done will save the life of any sprayer. I don't care if it's pump up or that makes a lot of sense if you'll just and and it don't matter if it's just if you say in this just roundup Roundup will gum up in there because it it just by it just does. I can't explain that that's what happens more times than none on tips getting clogged up or pumps not wanting to work right or just cycle through it when you're done fresh water is the best paint cleaner you can have yeah the solution to pollution is dilution.

SPEAKER_06 34:41

And do it right then don't let it sit overnight just when you get done if you got a 25 gallon sprayer put 10 gallons in there.

SPEAKER_09 34:49

Run fresh water through there and you're done I mean it's you do that to mine whenever you got done with the I'm sure you do I run a full tank through there.

SPEAKER_07 34:58

I'm sure you do so what about this and I I'm pretty sure I know the answer but uh just say that you and your buddies are prepping for food plots and you know it's gonna be a a two week end window to get all your spraying done yeah um do you mix only enough for that first day of spraying or uh you know what if you what if you have a big tank and and you go ahead and mix it all but only spray half is it going to work as well that next weekend if you leave it in the tank?

SPEAKER_09 35:30

It ain't it ain't milk it ain't gonna burn.

SPEAKER_06 35:32

But you also want to consider what chemicals you're spraying too if you're spraying a clay based chemical you do not want that to set up I mean you're gonna have a lot of other issues than if it's the ethicacy of it you know you're that's like a pre-merge or something just like yeah atrazines or dual or something like that.

SPEAKER_09 35:51

You talking about just as far as spraying your plots in two two weekends.

SPEAKER_07 35:55

Just say you mix a tank around up and you and you it it starts raining and you got to come back that next weekend is that going to affect um how well it works? Not at all. Okay. So I guess the surfactants and all that other stuff conditions the water to it all stays in solution.

SPEAKER_09 36:14

One one good practice I would say to always do is whenever you have to let it sit overnight even I like to just recirculate it for just a minute you know just get everything going and and make sure everything's in solution because if something falls out of solution first place it's going is to the bottom usually. And that's where your pickup hopes and that's where your pickup is so just run it back through and and let most of these sprayers have a recirculation valve for you know to control your pressure with just cut it on go do something else for about five minutes and then come back to it.

SPEAKER_08 36:52

I just figured out mine has that yeah it's pretty cool it's a bypass and I didn't realize what that was and I finally figured it out it mixes it for you it's amazing stick your hand in there and stir it up in the lobby.

SPEAKER_09 37:04

Yeah it's really pretty amazing that's to regulate your PSI as well.

SPEAKER_06 37:09

Dudley you brought up a uh uh something I feel like we need to address talking about the water water your water quality is a huge huge yes thing to concern with when you spray uh just say like uh in our part of the world the water is horrible I mean it's not not that it's gonna key to drink it but as far as spraying herbicides insecticides it it is bad and what what I would say 90 to 100% of our farmers use a water conditioner and uh what and what we mean by having hard water what happens is say your rate of Roundup is 32 ounces. Well say you dump your Roundup in there and chemical everything gets tied up well at that point you're only getting you know just say you're getting a 60% use out of what you had. So you went from applying a quart to a pint a half rate and that's just from the quality of the water just from the quality of the water.

SPEAKER_09 38:02

And then you circle back to the resistance issue.

SPEAKER_06 38:04

And you can have and you can have even with our water being so horrible you can add certain chemicals and they you have like just build up and it's just different kind of chemical reactions I would say.

SPEAKER_09 38:17

The biggest thing we we just got a water test back off of a off of a grower and the biggest issue that we have on this 45 corridor here where we're sitting is the pH of the water. The pH of the water is running around 82 83 something like that. Mine's eight yeah we did this at the at the nursery yeah and our uh our bicarbonates were really high which is calcium and magnesium in the water and the sodium our sodium levels are high in our water too uh just not not for as far as a spray solution not saying that it's bad to drink or anything right probably have kidney stones yeah might be Bobby but but that the the eight being the high pH of the water is affecting us just as much if not more as the hardness that he was talking about because the the Roundup whenever it goes in the tank it wants to be at a 5-5. It's a real acidic so the percentage he was talking about that's getting tied up the that percentage is is going first thing it's doing is changing the pH of that water as soon as it goes in the tank and it and it binds to the bicarbonates and and all the other metals that's in the water and doesn't allow it to be in an active form. Right.

SPEAKER_06 39:39

And and so that's where you're the tie up with we talk about that makes it makes a whole lot of sense all of a sudden do y'all have a water conditioner we do it's called choice trio choice trio we we've we have seen it countless times you farmer spring comes around he's ready to spray his burn down loads up with Roundup goes out there and sprays you know we have a lot of cover crops and the cover crop it looks like it makes it sick and then two or three days later it greens right back up. We go back the the neighbor right next to him sprayed the same solution mixture everything only difference is he added water conditioner and it looks like it's stone cold dead brittle brown it's how much water conditioner do you use uh one percent of your solution so if you got a 500 gallon tank you'd use five ounce per gallon ounce per gallon I thought you didn't like ounce per gallon I don't but I'm just saying that's if if somebody don't understand one percent then that that would be one ounce per gallon adjuvants adjuvants are are a very important vital part to spraying whether it be surfactants your water conditioners anything it's I mean drift agents you know we make drift agents and all that it's people think you you buy a cheap roundup and pour it in there you you have a premium product you're not if you have to buy a high dog higher priced roundup to get a premium surfactant it's the cheapest trip like he said is your first one. Interesting yep and it's interesting what you're saying about the resistance because of the water quality it's not necessarily that people aren't spraying enough it's just that it's so much time being bound up in the water yep I just got a I was just thinking about that uh that water conditioner I've heard that a lot yeah it makes a lot of sense and it doesn't take much no to to treat that not at all put it in before you start mixing chemical and and glyphosate and I always wonder if I'm saying that right oh yeah needs a five five pH of five five five right wow a lot of difference it's like rain five it's like rainwater instead of well water you know think think of your water quality just like your soil quality if you got a your pH has got to be right for everything to work right the same way in your water the water's just an you you know it's another quote soil fertility it's if things aren't right net your what you're growing ain't gonna or spraying is not going to work either.

SPEAKER_09 42:00

Any ever like draw out of a reservoir or anything or lake lake water and all yeah but I mean then you get into a lot of algae problems stopping up there all that other stuff that's in that water it's tying up with that roundup you know to neutralize I think about that bring bring everything to to an equilibrium so to speak before a lot of chemistry in this yeah I mean I mean like Twinkie said it's just like the we talk about pH in the soil all the time we preach it with food plots but you know we never bring it up with water and especially spraying so pH is unless you're working on your swimming pool. Your pH gets off in your body it ain't gonna be good either pH pH is the it's the cornerstone of everything we do. So Bryan you were telling us earlier about this baby bottle method yeah can you explain that a little bit so whenever I was at Mississippi State we just touched on it of course oh Dr. Dan Reynolds I give him a shout out here but he he's he is the calibration wizard uh but uh we we he touched on the baby bottle method back in the day everybody would to calibrate their sprayer they would need something to catch water so they would get a baby bottle because it had the ounces on the side and catch the water. I guess the hole barely fit over the nozzle too that's right and you just hold it over there for however long the the extended period of time but the the theory behind it is you measure off one 128th of an acre which would be 340 square feet we could get deep dive into but the what's interesting to me is that the one one twenty eighth is is the same number as the amount of ounces in a gallon. Yeah so so the one one twenty eighth it that's the ounces in the gallon and then you catch your your you you drive that that 340 square feet and you time how long it takes you to drive that 340 square feet. You catch water for that time and however many ounces you catch is how much gallons per acre you're putting out because you covered one twenty eighth of an acre. Right and so um the you know I don't know exactly you would have to do it in a how far a straight line is you know so that for so there's 43,560 square feet in in an acre. You divide that by 128 that gives you the 340 and then you've got twenty twenty inch width so you got twenty inches apart is your nozzles. So you would take the 340 340 feet times it by 12 and and uh times it by 12 divide by 20 and that should give you in inches no no no no you'd have to times it by 12 340 times 12 multiply by 20 divided by 12 and that'll give you your feet that you need to run. That would be the 120 that how the distance it it should be I think that's right.

SPEAKER_08 45:14

I may I'd have to look at my calculator if I'm if I'm boomless though and I've just got one nozzle.

SPEAKER_09 45:19

Alright well if if that's the case you have to measure off instead of 20 inches is the distance of your boom. So you need to get on concrete let your boomless nozzle go measure your distance distance is is distance it don't matter if it's 20 inches or 20 feet and um you measure your distance say it's 20 feet you put that into inches and do it the same way it the it every every method that I know involves a little bit of math. But that that's a fast easy way of doing it. But my preferred method is the equation because it's never wrong. The only thing you it's it's more it it's simpler to me. If you know how fast you're going and you know you know your width that's the simplest way for me me personally to think. Speed time width it's so it's GPM so gallons per minute times 5940 divided by your speed times your width. So speed times width into the 5940 and GPM and you to to get your GPM you just need to catch so if you're on a boomless nozzle you need to catch one nozzle and and see how many ounces you're putting out for 15 seconds.

SPEAKER_06 46:57

Get your measuring cup stop watching one hand put it under there cut the sprayer on time at 15 seconds then you see get your ounces how many ounces.

SPEAKER_09 47:06

But you got to take that number and multiply it by four.

SPEAKER_07 47:09

Because that's 60 which is how many seconds are in a minute.

SPEAKER_09 47:12

So that's how many ounces you get caught in a minute divide that number by 128 to get your GPM that that would be your gallons per minute. It's always going to be a decimal point so it's a 0.2 whatever which is also the number that you need whenever selecting your nozzle selecting figurine out how you need to nozzle your sprayer to get your gallons per acre. But so you take the point two whatever let's just say it's 0.2 and multiply that by the 5940 and divide it by your your speed that you wish to go times the width of the sprayer in inches and that will give you your what your gallons per acre will be speeds in miles per hour? Yes miles per hour and divide it by the width in inches time multiply your speed and your mile and your width and then and then divide that into the GPM times 5940. And 5940 I've never got a straight answer on that other than that's just the constant and that's just the way that that's the way this thing. I was gonna ask where'd the 5940 come from that's one of the sprayer gods No idea why it's that number, but that's the number. That's like pi.

SPEAKER_08 48:34

That's pi.

SPEAKER_06 48:34

That is the pi in the number.

SPEAKER_08 48:37

Okay, so to recap, so we can be real clear.

SPEAKER_07 48:40

So folks can write this down.

SPEAKER_08 48:41

You take the gallons per minute that you figured out by measuring 15 seconds with your coming out of a nozzle. And then you multiply that times four. To get your minute. To get your gallons per minute. Yep. Then you take that gallons per minute and you multiply it times 5940.

SPEAKER_09 48:59

5,940.

SPEAKER_08 49:00

Then on another piece of paper, we're going to come over here. Get your other toe out. We're going to take our speed, which we think how whatever is your desired speed that you want to run. And we're going to multiply it times the width of how wide we're spraying. In inches. In inches.

SPEAKER_09 49:16

So if you've got a 20-foot spray, if it's a 20-foot boomless nozzle, you multiply the 20 times 12 to put it into inches. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 49:24

240.

SPEAKER_08 49:24

And then we so then we'll have a number and we'll divide it by that. The gallons per minute times 5940 is a number, and then we divide it by the by the number that we made out of the miles per hour and the width.

SPEAKER_06 49:37

I think Dr. Spray over here should have to make a cheat sheet for y'all to post.

SPEAKER_09 49:41

And that gives us Yes, I agree.

SPEAKER_06 49:43

Well I can do that.

SPEAKER_08 49:44

Yeah, and we'll put it in the show. Richie, can we put that in the show notes? Richie, wake up over there.

SPEAKER_05 49:48

Anything for you, Bobby.

SPEAKER_10 49:49

Well, this is good. And that ends up giving us what?

SPEAKER_09 49:52

That equals that equals your gallons per acre.

SPEAKER_06 49:55

So uh and I think kind of as a rule of thumb, you we talk about this speed, you know. Everybody wants to go fast, everybody wants to get done. But I would say on your ATV, UTV sprayers, five to seven miles an hour is a good speed to shoot for because that's about all your pump's gonna be able to handle. And and also, I mean, most times when you're spraying in the field or something like that, it is going to be a rough pass. You're gonna get beat to death. You don't want to run 12 miles an hour in your all your, you know, rough on your equipment. So but I would say five to seven, you know, maybe a smaller pump, four four miles an hour.

SPEAKER_09 50:30

But that that's just kind of a because you know, if if you get out there and you're thinking I'm gonna run 12 miles an hour, well you you finna have to you're gonna have to have a big pump, do that, and it's just and the the fastest way to get off on your gallons per acre is is your miles per hour, because everything else is gonna usually stay pretty constant. But if you want to change your your gallons per acre, just ease that foot down a little bit more, take it off a little bit, and that that'll change that that'll change it the fastest. And that's the reason I love that formula, is because I can see what mile per hour I can I can put plug in. If I decide that I want to run 10 miles an hour, I can say, well, I'm gonna be putting out a little bit less gallons per acre, but I'll get on over it, you know. And and so I that's the reason I love that formula.

SPEAKER_10 51:19

Can you increase your chemical concentration? Correct. Uh when you got a low, okay.

SPEAKER_09 51:24

So that way I know how my tank's gonna work out. I know I've got a 70-gallon tank, and I'm gonna be putting out, you know, say I decide I want to go 10 miles an hour, and I'm only gonna be putting out five gallons per acre. Yeah. Uh that's not ideal, uh, but that that's a decision, you know. Uh so would you double the concentration of chemical in there? Correct. I would change it, I would change my rate per acre because I'm not I'm not working off of ounces per gallon. I'm working off of ounces per acre.

SPEAKER_06 51:53

It don't matter how much how big your tank is, it matters how much how many acres you're getting out of that tank.

SPEAKER_10 51:58

Gotcha, right.

SPEAKER_06 51:59

Well, just like just say we got a hundred-gallon tank. Well, if we're putting out 10 gallons of water and we can get over 10 acres, we'll just say we're gonna bump it up to 20 gallons of water to get better coverage, where in some thicker stuff you're gonna get less amount of acres, so you would add less chemical. Less chemical.

SPEAKER_10 52:13

But you can go the opposite with that.

SPEAKER_06 52:15

You go the opposite. Say if you're happy with five, say it's just a kind of you're just cleaning some stuff up, and you think you can get away with a fine droplet of five miles an hour, you can, you know, bump your chemical rate, your acres per gallon up, and you cover more, but you're not, you know, you're getting less water.

SPEAKER_10 52:32

Because I've been stuck on that 10 gallon. I got to put 10 gallons an acre out.

SPEAKER_07 52:35

Yeah. I've never had anything with a speedometer on it. And so uh, you know, like on my ancient Honda, it's either like I'm going speedometer kind of high RPMs in second gear, or just kind of slow in third. It's is always well. That's kind of one of my two speeds I've done. The lesson about that now is technology.

SPEAKER_06 52:56

Is there an app iPhone to get you a speedometer app and you have a speedometer wherever you're at?

SPEAKER_07 53:02

I'll duct tape it to my handlebar.

SPEAKER_06 53:04

Sometimes when I'm like at sometimes when I'm in like a tractor or side-by-side or something spraying, I still pull my app up to see if, you know, because if you if you've changed tire size or something, it's gonna change your speedometer to see how actually bad off your you know, you could be miles per hour. So if you're if it says you're running five, but you're really running eight, you're you know, that's that's shortening it up. That's why your chemical could not, your tank could get empty quicker than you thought it was going to, or you sprayed a little further than you thought.

SPEAKER_08 53:31

Ryson, is your bookie calling you?

SPEAKER_06 53:33

No.

SPEAKER_08 53:34

Exactly. Okay.

SPEAKER_09 53:35

I I had I had a few of them caught called, but it ain't none of them are booky.

SPEAKER_08 53:39

I'll just make it sure it's so what if uh what if uh what if I'm like, gee, whiz, this is could I not take my tank and put 10 gallons of water in it? And if I think my plot's about an acre, put in my uh the appropriate chemical and just do it one at a time on that. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 53:58

I think the best the best method for that is to get your your uh Google Maps, your One X or whatever, and map out, map you out an acre, and just put you put your 10 gallons in there and just kind of play with it. You know, it may take a little trial and error, and you know, so I know for a fact this is one acre. Well, say I get over it and I got a little bit left. Well, so maybe I just need to speed up a little bit, or you get over it and you got a half a tank left, you're like, oh man, I've been going a little fast.

SPEAKER_07 54:26

I'm gonna have to slow it out. I'm gonna bubble down again.

SPEAKER_06 54:28

You know, I think that's a good kind of but knowing your acre. That's a good country boy kind of.

SPEAKER_09 54:35

Knowing your acre is the key there. The the part of mapping it out and knowing exactly what you're spraying.

SPEAKER_08 54:40

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SPEAKER_01 54:48

That's right.

SPEAKER_08 54:48

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SPEAKER_10 55:00

So there's a little bit of variation too on if you're running a PTO pump versus an electric pump, because higher RPMs means higher pressure gallons per volume more volume.

SPEAKER_06 55:10

And that's that's where your your bypass or your recirculating valve could also come into play. Okay. You can you can bypass a little more, you got a pressure adjuster to all that. You know, all sprayers have a pressure gauge, so that's what you're when we're talking about the 60 or 40 psi, that's what you're you're looking a little round white gauge for your PSI. And you can adjust that with either a pressure gauge, pressure valve, or some of them have a recirculating valve, and you just cut it open and let it flow a little faster, a little, you know, but if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_10 55:40

I just went faster and I needed to.

SPEAKER_07 55:42

Yeah, I would think if you're running the same RPMs, it would it would put out the same. It'd be consistent, but you know.

SPEAKER_09 55:50

If you wanted to cut your volume down or cut it up and still run the same RPMs and all, that you know, you a lot of times what needs to happen is you need to re-nozzle it. Yeah, okay. So, you know, you got oh ones, oh twos, oh threes, oh fours, and that and that number is significant because that's those are the 04 would be, you know, if you have anything that runs uh uh point three six to uh four or five or anything anything from a four to four or five, I think is what it is, is oh four. And then that's how big the hole is. Your orphice? You you work in orphous. Orpheus.

SPEAKER_07 56:42

Well, that's the best explanation I've heard as far as doing the math. Um, and the easiest. I mean, you could like you know, we could put that out and you could put it on your phone and just have it available.

SPEAKER_09 56:56

You've got all the information. Right. All you got all you gotta do is plug it into that formula and do it.

SPEAKER_08 57:03

Lanny, we're we're always in here. We always have these interesting guests, and you're always on your computer. What's up? I'm looking at Onex the whole time.

SPEAKER_10 57:09

I look, I love the app, but I love the desktop too.

SPEAKER_01 57:11

My favorite thing is Bobby doesn't know how to shut his computer down. Yeah, so I can go in there and share his pins to my account. That's what you were doing in there this morning.

SPEAKER_08 57:21

Yep. Back during deer season, you know, I shot a couple of big bucks. As I'm looking for them, I can turn on this tracking feature.

SPEAKER_10 57:28

Yeah, and I can see where I've looked. And I use that feature too for spreading seeds, spreading fertilizer, spraying it really keeps you on track.

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SPEAKER_07 59:04

What about mixing the tank? Yeah. Um every does every chemical, you know, whether you're spraying arsenal or Roundup or uh garland or something, uh do you always put the water first? Or you put the chemical, do you put the crop, you know, how does that work or is that just a follow the lay the label is gonna tell you the proper label is law, but the only thing that that I would recommend is is if you're mixing a whole lot of lot of different products, you gotta I mean you're you're making a chemistry sign uh, you know, there there's a lot there's a reason they're not already in the jug together.

SPEAKER_09 59:45

Right. If you can have some water in there to kind of make make that that first confrontation a little bit easier for them, you're you're gonna be better off because there, I mean, there's certain chemicals that are just not compatible with the other ones. And you get into a clabbering up situation or a salting out or whatever. Um which funny enough, we we got a chemical to solve solve that too. Easy mix. Wait, let me tell you easy mix. We don't like having to use that because most of the time it's uh somebody's called us and they're very upset with us because a$500,000 sprayer sitting on the turn road.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:25

With slime coming out the tips. It congels slime or mud coming out of the tips, and that that's no longer their sprayer, that is our sprayer and our problem.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:34

But I always the lay I'm I'm pretty sure the label always calls for you know, fill your tank up halfway, add the chemical, fill the tank up the rest of the way with water. Uh do I always do that? No. Especially just round up.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:49

Uh I mean if it's something you're you've you're used to using. But and then there's that jar test where you can just pour a small amount in a jar and shake it around. Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:00

Um so look, you guys are big rough and tough, muscular bearded guys like I am.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:05

And we got a lot of muscular bearded.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:09

Not you. When y'all are out there and you're, you know, you're trying to get through the day, please tell me, y'all are putting on goggles and and put gloves and PP. And people listen to this. Y'all need to be safe. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:22

Because these goggles, respirators, chemical gloves, and don't think, don't, you know, just your leather gloves. No, get you some chemical grade gloves, aprons, long sleeves.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:33

You know, don't let it get on your skin. You got an apron? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:37

I got a cooking apron and I got a spraying apron.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:39

There you go.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:39

I don't get them mixed up the body.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:43

I would think leather would be the opposite of what you would want to soak it up.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:47

You know, well, you just think everybody who usually has a pair of leather work gloves on the tractor where they think they put them on. Well, that's just like trapping it on you. It soaks through the leather, and you know, it takes you can buy a box of latex gloves for cheap five dollars from CBS, keep them in the tractor, and when you get done that one time, throw them away, put you a new pair on it. We always got a pack in the tractor.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:06

I can tell you, you know, most people that are gonna be out there spraying their food plots and all that, they're they're probably not gonna have an apron and all that. But what they will have is at least a pair of safety glasses or sunglasses or something. And and something that they can put on their hands. If if if I had one recommendation at all, it would be to make sure they always had on glasses and always had on gloves. Because the the good Lord only gives us one set of eyes, and these chemicals, if they get in your eyes and you're in on the back 40 back there, you it can ri they can really do some some damage to your eyesight in a in a hurry if the wrong stuff gets in your eyes. Good point. Um so I I that's that's the two you know, be as all the PPE there, and it's it's labeled in there and on the label as far as what PPE is is needed to to handle the chemical. But as a as a rule of thumb, always have something, some kind of eye protection and something on your hands.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:06

Yeah. And also, I think a a big thing we should talk about that does not get touched on very much is go to your local extension office and get your private applicator's license.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:18

It is a test that you take that informs you about PPE, spraying, different chemicals, and it also provides you with a license to be able to go by. Maybe you need a restricted chemical, Bobby. Well, you can't you call me, you're like, hey, my my crop scout said I need this. Well, well, army worms are killing my killing off the green fields. Well, Bobby, I can't say that because you don't have a uh restricted use. Right.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:41

You'd be surprised how many chemicals you have to have that permit in order to buy or we have no option.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:47

You get with your local extension agent. I think uh Mississippi State Extension Office. Uh you could call the boss over there. And I think it takes you two or three hours, maybe. You watch a couple videos, they teach you the class, you take the test, and you get your certification, and it I think it's good for six years or five. So just keep up to date with that. Cody's got his, don't you?

SPEAKER_07 1:04:10

Yeah. While you're at it, sign up for the fire class. Yeah, you can do the uh pesticide application or but that's in every state now.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:18

So if you're in Georgia, it's a very good thing.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:20

And and different states are a little bit different. Most every state in the southeast that we that we touch, I I'm assuming all over the U.S. have the same, have some sort of permit in place.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:35

So you guys just hit on something that I think it it brings us back to the importance of the talk, not only about calibration, but sprayers. So, Land, if you think about this, so we were we love clovers. Yes, we've got to. We love soybeans. And so those crops, as we plant them as wildlifers, they're gonna need to be sprayed for uh uh you know with some kind of Yeah, to reduce competition. And then and then we can fertilize. Then we can come back later on in the year and we can fertilize again. But then if we have an army worm issue, heaven forbid, that there's now there's chemistry that you can spray down in anticipation of having army worm. Yeah, and so then you could not worry about them.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:17

Yeah, you can reduce your workload a lot by with a com proper chemistry.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:22

A good spray rig would be a really useful thing for a especially for a wildlifer.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:26

You can you can look at as spraying as a management tool rather than a problem fixer. 100%.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:32

Oh, for sure. You know, uh and it's interesting, I've seen areas that once they've been, you know, treated over the years, what's what's coming back in them.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:40

And I think something that we need to address is as our two worlds collide, I'd say the farmer versus the the weekend warrior deer hunter or land manager or something. Everybody needs to be. A little touchy there about weekend warrior, but everybody needs uh everybody needs to be hesitant of their surroundings when they're spraying. Just you know, Laney, just say you're gonna go spray 24DB over your clover field, get everything out of it. Well, say Farmer Joe's got cotton up over there, and he does.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:07

Yeah, and it's hot outside.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:09

And you go through there and you're spraying the winds blowing directly that way. Well, what's gonna happen is cotton, you you may not but you may be clueless about the damage that 24D can cause to cotton. They get a sniff of it, turn it, you know, kill it, and he comes out there mad, you're mad, and next thing you know, you may not have a place to hunt, or he may not have a place to fall, deer. So I just I kind of like to bring that up every time. Just be very conscientious of crops around you, even even if it's not a commercial crop, uh rose bushes, they they can be a card. They can be a casualty of war. Sorry, Taylor.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:45

Tomatoes, tomatoes, tomatoes are.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:47

And since you're on that, talk about like conditions, weather conditions. When's is it better to obviously, you know, wind is going to be an issue, heat, morning, afternoon. What's the best? Yeah, that's a good question. Thank you, Bobby.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:59

That is an excellent question, actually.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:02

Uh wind is a very it should be your first concern all the time, I would think, you know, because if if it's if we got gusts of winds, probably like we have out there right now, we really don't want to go out there and spray. You may think, well, I got to. Well, if that stuff's drifting across the field, what good are you doing? You know.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:19

Um my typical, I like to wait just for the old good old boy rule of thumb. If perfect world and you're not in a rush, wait for the dew to come off before you spray, and let it have an hour before the dew sets again.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:35

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:36

That's my perfect world. So mid-morning kind of a mid mid morning to to you know, early afternoon. Yeah. You know, just give it if you know you got an hour before dark, shut it off an hour before dark. Let it let that round up, get have time to get in that plant before the dew sets on it.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:53

Yeah, and I mean take that hour and fruit and flush water tea spray. There you go. That's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:58

And and speaking of that, like water fastness, I mean, I guess that's what I'm asking. Rain fastness. Rain fastness, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:04

Uh it varies from chemical to chemical.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:06

Yeah. Hour. And the label says 30 minutes, but I'm just telling you, just give it an hour.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:11

Well, that's really shorter than I thought it would be. You know what? Well, I I've sprayed some 2-4, one of those two fours on some clover last year. One of those. And all of a sudden, this rain shows up that was not anticipated at all. And I panicked. And I went to my advisor, and he and it had been, it was three hours before it rained. Oh, yeah. And he said, Oh, you're you're fine. You're perfect. And and it really everything worked out. Yeah. I was rubber. You want it?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:37

You know, you want the solution to dry on the plant and have the plant have time to take it up.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:42

And what's the one of those things called that stomatas? Is that what they think about? Yeah, the stomato. The stomato. I went to a little bit of plant biology.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:50

But like, you know, at night, you know, they're not really photosynthesizing or they ain't got them stomates open yet.

SPEAKER_10 1:09:00

So the stomaches are closed at night. I've they they close whenever that chemical gets in there.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:08

They take it in and then they they see it as an intruder. So they shut down. They lock the gates down, nobody in, nobody out, but then that roundup that's just all they can take.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:19

So can we talk just a little real quick, help us understand? Sometimes a guy might be gonna spray his clover and he'll have a herbicide, but he could also at the same time add some fertilizer. Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:32

And does that that doesn't always work like that, does it?

SPEAKER_09 1:09:36

Well, you it yeah, you can I mean you can just about mix it with anything, but uh you get to you get to talking about you're talking about spraying the fertilized, liquid fertilizer, right? Right, that's right. All right, well, you get to mixing fertilize and chemicals. Those worlds, they they don't really uh they don't really they tolerate one another, but they ain't they ain't just married, you know, mammied up together. They ain't having sunny church picture.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:03

Mammied up together.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:04

Yeah, they ain't mammied up.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:06

Yeah, I don't know. They don't talk about that in Alabama. No, no, they don't.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:09

And that that's something else, you know. Folks think you can take a tank uh sprayer and if I dump five chemicals in there, I'm gonna make a nuclear bomb, kill everything. Well, a bunch of times you got chemicals that don't really get along with each other and antagonism. And it's just, you know, it it's gonna work. Sometimes two trips is better than one trip.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:29

So what I'm hearing from the these two experts from Nutrient on the Couch, that if you had your druthers, you would spray your chemistry and maybe spray your fertilizer later.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:39

Dependent dependent upon our so just for just to kind of give a blanket, if you're wanting to put out some some uh uh liquid nitrogen or whatever with the sprayer and and piggyback a herbicide, pretty much typically the one thing that you can get away with is a uh low low vol 24D. It's formulated, it it works well with with fertilize. You won't have any compatibility issues, but you get outside that realm and you you really are you really need to make sure that you know what you're doing and have have a compatibility agent in the tank before you mix the chemical with the fertilizer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:26

And the good thing is, now we all know some of these things work, some of it, and obviously you're explaining and and cautioning us, but a guy in Georgia or Indiana or wherever can find a nutrient store and talk to somebody just like you guys. I just wrote that down, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:44

And and if they don't know, I assure you we have the resources that nutrient that they can find somebody who does know.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:50

So we're not telling people to go do something that they can't get an answer to.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:54

No, it's got locations across the country. We're from New York to Oregon, California. I mean, we're we've got listeners in Australia. We're in Australia. There you go, look at that. Brazil, Clayton, Brazil, all uh South America.

SPEAKER_10 1:12:08

I mean, we're so there's local subject matter experts at every one of those places. Yeah, twinking brising.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:13

I mean, they may not be as good as us.

SPEAKER_10 1:12:14

I'm sure they're not as good as you.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:16

I'm gonna say they probably don't understand some of the ones in South America, they probably don't understand. They're all into the mammoth.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:24

They're all into the hectares and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:27

No, no, you lose me there now.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:28

And the kilograms. I get excited when I think about all the different things a guy could use a spray rig for. No doubt about it. It's perfect for the wildlife, and it takes a lot of work out of it now and then. And look, you can go buy a 25-gallon unit. Chapin makes one. There's several the companies. I don't want I'm not trying to call anybody out, but you can go buy most farm supply stores. Yeah, go to your track supplies, got them, and you can find something that you can afford and you can do the things that you're talking about.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:55

I would say you can get a ready-to-use unit with pump, tank, boomless nozzle, uh, you know, out the door, 200 bucks. I think that's very doable.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:04

But if you wash it out like you're talking about, it could last a long time.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:08

How do y'all overwinter them?

SPEAKER_08 1:13:09

Yeah, great question.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:10

Do you worry about like water getting in the pump and freezing or anything?

SPEAKER_06 1:13:14

It's a possibility. What I do, what I do on mine is I drain, undo the hoses, drain all the water out. I'll take the air hose and blow through the pump and get all the moisture and everything out of there, and then I'll take a little RV antifreeze, or I'll tell you what works real good is um de-icer for like your car. Just take you a little bit of that, put over in there, you know, just pour you a little bit in a funnel and let it sit, and then you shouldn't have no freezing up issues after that. Uh some pumps have freeze plugs. Be aware of that that you know, the plug's made to take out and drain water out, and that way you don't have none sitting in a little it's that bottom inch of water that gets you that it's not that you live, you know, if you take a pump and uh say at the bottom of the pump there's an inch of water left in there. Well, that's what's gonna freeze and crack the housing. So I never knew never never even thought about that. Yeah. Uh what it I I guess de-icer, rain X or whatever it's called.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:08

I'm gonna pour it in there and cut my pump on, let it run it through everything.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:12

Should have done that.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:13

Yeah. Now you know I had to replace the fitting uh this week. Is it real? Yep, forgot to do it. I like the compressed air idea too. That's a great idea.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:21

Well, so um we've we've we've knocked out a lot of the questions that we had here. What about uh the importance of what I'm seeing is some of the chemistry that you guys have already has surfactants in it.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:36

Majority of it. Anything anything that you that you see of ours that that has the Lysotech uh on the case. It'll be lovely. It'll be a sticker on on the case in the jug that says lysotech. If it says lysotech, then that that's our surfactant package already preloaded into that chemistry. So it's clethodem, uh we have a 2-4D that that's that's got it in there. We've got the the Roundup, the glyphosate that that has it. Um there's a plethora of chemicals that already have our surfactant package.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:15

I think as our I think as a company, we pride ourselves on not being a generic company, but we're a branded company, and uh we stand behind our products, and we have you can ask him, we have customers that that buy our glyphosate because of our surfactant patriot package and all the the stroke over it. The productivity of it, you know. Uh whereas they could go buy competitors and you look at it, and man, looks like water. You're like, is there anything in there?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:44

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:44

Yeah, if you're in the middle of the uh, you know, it's the time, the the the land cost, the tractor cost, the diesel fuel, I mean it's worth having a quality product out there. Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:56

But we have a we have a whole lineup of nutritionals as well that where if you got your spray rig and you got it calibrated and you know, say say you may not be set up to have to drive a fertilizer buggy through the bottom. You could, you know, we could sell nutritionals, liquid potash, liquid phosphorus, all that.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:13

Which is great for wildlife too, because it's fast acting. Yeah, it really is.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:17

Well, I was gonna I was just gonna ask. So we've got this little uh you know, we got a couple of fertilizers. Yeah, we got liquid fertilizers, yeah. And one that's dry and you mix it in the tank, and one that you pour one specific for clover. So we see these things they're the you know, they're that they're landing on the leaves of the plant out there, foliar is we see them just green them up so fast.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:41

It's just really impressive. Right. It uh I'm I'm assuming that you know you're getting through the stomata in the leaves and you're bypassing like if it's cold outside or wet. Um I mean, I think everybody knows putting out bulk granular ag fertilizer uh is is the lowest hole in the bucket.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:06

Right, you know, right.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:07

But um all these these foliars work great in a pinch and uh to supplement uh it really helps. Yeah, but there's also some areas you can't get to with that heavy granular stuff. Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:20

So you know, we so we for a long time, and and we still do in a lot of cases, like you know, typical glyphosate might take about 10 days to really see a complete and it I've added some liquid fertilizer, and and I can go spray something at my place and the next week and when I go back, it is just stone dead. But you know Does that add nitrogen to it? Well, it's that I think the plant takes it up faster, perhaps by having the fertilize with it? Yes, I that's what I've been told. And then we had you know Mitt Wardlaw, who's a really smart guy, who's like, hey, dead is dead. Right, we talked about a week and it would still be dead. But but for a guy like me, a weekend warrior, when I do it this Saturday, when I want to when I go back next Saturday, I want to know what I've done and if I need to do something else.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:05

Typically the reason that you're seeing that is because the the fertilize is is conditioning the water. It it does that and and it's also acting as a surfactant. It's heating up it it that that's what we call heating up. Making it hotter. So that that that that plant is letting that fertilize in and it's carrying that chemical with it, and it ki gets in the plant faster. It helps it spread. It it you know it's just a really oily product. Yeah. And oil you need oil oil to go to oil. Well, we're we're taking a water-based solution and spraying it on an oil surface, a waxy surface, and it's just sitting there on the bead, and it takes a minute to spread out and get into the plant. Well, you put fertilize with it, and that's acting as the surfactant to help it spread out.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:52

I can really tell a difference when I do that, though. Yep, absolutely. But like Mitt said, eventually dead is dead. Yeah, three more days it'd been dead. Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:59

And I'm I'm not a chemist, but uh I believe, you know, the the nitrogen in the fertilizers also acts like a conditioner. Uh it helps slow down some of that binding up. Like if you've got ammonium sulfate is the really AMS. AMS. You've got bad water that has the whatever's in it that sticks to your product. 50-pound bag of AMS and uh the the nitrogen uh seems to help with that a lot. Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:27

Okay, so we've got a we've got a formula. You're gonna draw us out a sheet, we're gonna take a picture. A guy can download it, go into go to the show notes. Show notes. I'm gonna download it. Yeah, they can that's right. Yeah. And uh that'll be very helpful to the to the to our to ever to all of us. Yeah. And and uh and then we've got so we've gone over kind of the bubble method, a simple way to do this. Right. We've certainly gone over how to clean that unit.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:53

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:54

And and the and the pros uh and cons of boomless and boom, we've covered that. What else have we got?

SPEAKER_10 1:20:00

I'd love to and and y'all jump in here, Dudley. I know you know this stuff too. There's like, I mean, the the three or four chemicals that a wildlife guy would use and what those applications would be. So I mean there's a lot. I mean but more and more. I mean, we primarily use clethodum. Clethodum's a huge one. Clover grasses. Uh then obviously roundup glyphosate, which is a non-selective burn down everything kind of thing. Uh then 2-4 D or 2-4 DB. What's the difference in those and what are the different applications for that?

SPEAKER_09 1:20:34

2-4 DB. 2-4 DB is you're gonna kill broadleaves and clover. It does not kill clover.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:39

It doesn't kill, it's weak on lagum. It's weak on legumes.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:42

It won't kill grasses. No. 2-4 dB. It will not kill a grass. 2-4 dB. But it's very weak, like you said, on lagoons.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:50

It'll burn the heck out of like iron clay peas. Uh and soybeans don't really like it either, but it's it's great for like clover and alfalfa. And peanuts.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:00

You they spray a pile of it in peanuts. Does D B mean something? Butyract, doesn't it? B yeah, well, the 2-4 D B is just for the I don't really know what the B is, but the the 2-4 D, D is the is short for dye, dye, Corb something. It's a long, it's a it's a word about this long. Okay. So they just call it 2-4D. And fun fact, you know, Agent Orange, all it is is 2-4D.

SPEAKER_10 1:21:28

Oh, great.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:30

Really? Yeah. You know why they called it Agent Orange? It's because it come, it was shipped to Vietnam in an orange barrel. Ah. That's the only one.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:39

There used to be a product called 2-4T that you don't see or hear of anymore.

SPEAKER_10 1:21:43

So 2-4D will help you get rid of broadleaves and clover. Yeah. Is that right? No, 2-4 D B.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:49

2-4D is gonna get rid of all your broadleaves.

SPEAKER_10 1:21:53

Including the clover. And just it doesn't kill grass. It don't kill grass.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:58

It's a selective herbicide on the opposite side of the spectrum of the select.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:03

Okay, that makes sense. I like I like amazapier a lot. Yeah, and you're playing. You better be careful with that. Yeah. Oh, for sure. I mean, it just depends on your use.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:11

Are you playing that for broadleaves?

SPEAKER_07 1:22:13

Uh it'll it'll get broadleafs and grasses, but it's really good at getting rid of some of our invasive grasses we have, like uh Kogan grass, fescue.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:22

Will it kill clover?

SPEAKER_07 1:22:23

Uh it'll it's it's weak on legumes as well, but I I don't know of anybody that uses it over the top of clover.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:30

Okay, draw it. Oh I'd say charcoal pier would be another one we use.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:34

For real brushy, woody broadleaf stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:37

Poison oak, viny stuff, brushy, woody kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:39

I'm using it on cudju and some uh privet.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:44

I've heard of it as 24D on steroids, but I I think it's better at waxier leaves, uh more brushy stuff.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:51

And when you get into the brushier stuff, I I would prefer to have die camba with the two four with the with or a two four D Dicamba mix with the triclopeer or the the remedy.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:06

That's got a little bit of soil activity in it as well with the dicamba.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:09

But as soon as it rains, it's it's gone. But it does, it's one of the best residuals on the market as long as it don't rain.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:17

Um I I want to say I used that on a lot of Ceresia Lesbadesa last summer to get rid of it. Or to spell it way back.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:26

How do you spell that word? I'm not even gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:31

Welly, I think this baby bottle method is it really smells. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:37

Bobby, you're gonna be a granddaddy here shortly. Yeah, you have plenty of baby bottles. You're gonna have plenty of bottles.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:42

How about that?

SPEAKER_08 1:23:43

Old papa.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:44

Can I borrow one?

SPEAKER_08 1:23:45

Old papo. Got rid of irres. Well, speaking of, you guys brought some uh metal bottles. These are grapes, yeah. I tell you what, there's uh it looks like there's six of them.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:54

Should we give a couple of those away?

SPEAKER_08 1:23:56

So the first five people after this that leave a review, it just says something about nutrient measuring cup. We'll send them one.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:03

Oh, there you go. There we go. I guess Bobby's gonna keep the sixth one for himself. Well, we'll leave one here. We gotta measure out. Yeah, he gotta measure all your stuff.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:10

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:11

Yeah.

unknown 1:24:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:12

We've got to spray some clover. So is there what else we need to be asking?

SPEAKER_10 1:24:15

I I mean, is there anything that we hadn't covered?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:18

I think we touched on it pretty much.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:20

It's hard to cut. I mean, that we could talk for days about this kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:24

You could talk about chemistry, chemicals, and herbicides, you know, insecticides, everything. It's it's a whole different conversation all the time.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:31

So most of your spraying, are you spraying uh in a ranger with a cab on it?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:35

Uh yeah. Uh my my Can Am Defender personally has a cab on it and conditioning. No, not quite that much. No. Radio. You need a bar. You do have a radio. Cup holder. Cup holder, yes. Uh but and that's another thing. We're talking about your PPE. If you're gonna spray on an open cab tractor or a four-wheeler, anything that you're not enclosed with a cab, wear long sleeves, wear your gloves, wear your eye protection. I mean, just you know we're doing that window. And when you get done spraying, wash your whole your whole machine off, you know, because if you turn on the end and all of a sudden the wind comes up, you just uh I mean you may have to, you're gonna look like you get stuck on there and just wash it off and keep it, you know. Because these chemicals can't be corrosive.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:22

Yeah, no doubt about it. Good pointer there for sure.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:25

That's good. Why don't we ask them a trivia question? All right, Dudley has created very, very natural right there. Yeah, yeah. All right, Dunny. Well, so we're look, we're gonna ask you, we've got a new partner, peanut. You guys love boy. Oh, I can look at y'all.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:40

I ain't gonna lie, I ain't gonna lie. I was I come in the room, we were just you know shooting the breeze, and and I seen that over there, I said, boy, howdy. I need one, I need one of them in my house.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:49

You like the caging or the river? I want one at Cajun. I like the caging too, they're delicious. Any convenience store. Yeah, any walmall.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:56

I mean, they're every so guys, if you're driving by and you go to the convenience store, go get you some of these peanuts.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:00

Yeah, and you can put it in your cup holder on your spray ring. Yeah, the other cup holder.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:05

Yeah. All right, so because our internet is down, I was not able to pull a reviewer to give away a prize. And we were gonna give them a nutrient shirt. So I don't know how we'll do this, but let's just ask them the trivial question, and we won't give away a prize for this week.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:21

We'll give them two big sweet two next years. So y'all leave these reviews.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:25

Um, all right, guys. Y'all can work together on this, but you can't call anybody.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:31

I can they can't phone a friend.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:32

No. Okay. This one's too easy.

unknown 1:26:35

Oh.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:35

Well, I say that. Among the modern weed control products still in use today, which was the first to be used? And what decade did it get it started?

SPEAKER_10 1:26:47

That don't sound easy to me.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:49

Well, just because I know the answer, it's easy.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:51

Golly. All right, say that again. Is it multiple chills? Multiple chills. Oh, you're gonna have to give some help, dude.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:57

All right. Among the modern weed control products still in use today, you know, the the main herbicides we use today.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:05

We've mentioned some of them.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:06

Which was the first to be used and and when? So, like, was it the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s? And what was it?

SPEAKER_10 1:27:14

That's a tough question. That's a very tough one. My dad farmed in the 50s and 60s. I don't think they had chemicals.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:23

You're thinking too hard. It's not some kind of pre-emerge or anything. It's a post-emergent herbicide. Clefidum. What's it rhyme with? It rhymes with a number.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:36

Oh. 24D? All right. Correct. How about that? That's half by the date. It's half a half. He said date. That's that's your half. Oh I'd say whenever Vietnam was, mate.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:51

Yeah, in the uh 60s, no 70s? I mean, you need a uh 1974.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:01

Just the I think he asked the decade, so a 10-year window.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:06

I would say yeah, yeah, what year? Vietnam was early 70s, late 60s, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:12

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:13

It was around.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:14

Yes, that's correct.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:15

Thank you. Richie, are you?

SPEAKER_10 1:28:17

Look at it. I thought you were asleep.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:18

No, I'm over here paying attention. Just soaking it in.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:21

Soak it in.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:22

Y'all want me to give you the answer?

SPEAKER_07 1:28:24

Oh, that would be nice. 40s. 40s. Ah. So get it. Yeah. Da-da-da. Um, the compound 24D was first synthesized by W. G. Templeman at Imperial Chemical Industries.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:37

My question was gonna be how much does a gallon of water weigh?

SPEAKER_07 1:28:40

Um, and then uh easy.

SPEAKER_10 1:28:43

Well, how much does a gallon of water weigh? It it look at them. It's got tough one.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:47

Nine nine pounds.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:48

Uh nope, nope. Yep, eight point uh eight point three. Yeah, eight point three. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:55

And then gasoline is lighter than water. Yeah, so I've got a bonus. And you can you can redeem yourself, Bryce, in here. So this is true or false. Hold on, man. I got the water quick. Yeah, he got the water right. Yeah, well, what an expensive bonus. The in true or false, the inventor of the boom system that we've talked about so much was an Oklahoma farmer named Boomer Thompson. That's why it's called a boom. Is that true or false? Wow. That's pretty good. I'm sorry. That's gotta be true.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:32

Well, let them out. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:33

It's got to be.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:35

It's gotta be true.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:36

All right, it is false. What?

SPEAKER_09 1:29:38

Boomer Thompson. That kind of gave it away. Ain't nobody made it. She made that too much. Ain't no boomer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:47

You got me. Totally made it up.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:48

Yeah. I don't know who invented Boom, but he was not named Boomer. Not named Boomer.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:55

I don't know why I hit the bell there. I didn't do it. I got it wrong. I got it wrong. All right. That's good stuff. Yeah, we've learned a lot. And and I I think this might be a touch confusing at times, but they can go to our show notes and get that calculation.

SPEAKER_10 1:30:11

Right. Yeah, and and you know, there's nutrient ag solution stores all over the country, resources like these guys out there, you know. If you got questions, and stuff, this stuff's gonna vary, I think, regionally too, to a certain degree. So I mean, yeah, the water's not, you know, so check them out.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:24

Well, we appreciate y'all spending your time uh coming up here today. It wasn't a whole day, like uh I don't think, but uh, we sure appreciate you. Yeah, we do. Thank y'all for having us. Absolutely. Yeah, if y'all are uh I'm I'm sure y'all gonna be rolling back and helping farmers this afternoon.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:39

So uh yeah, it's a little might help them get water off the fields right now. But next week next week we'll be helping them.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:45

Bryson, you ever listen to our podcast when you're down there working and all?

SPEAKER_09 1:30:48

Well, to be honest, my phone's always ringing. This couch has been over here buzzing the whole time we've been so I don't get a chance to listen to many podcasts. But I do I do listen to y'all's podcast before I listen to anybody else's. There you go. What about click a bell?

SPEAKER_08 1:31:05

What about on like a Tuesday night when you're tired, you come in and everything? You might turn on the outdoor channel.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:11

Uh most Tuesday nights, if I'm tired and I come in and it's dark, I don't want to hear anybody talk. I'm talked out for the day.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:21

Especially you. Well, you know, we got this temp television show. We spent so much money on this show, and I can't find anybody to watch it.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:28

Somebody's watching it. Richie said somebody's watching it.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:30

Yeah, we got a few viewers here and there. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:32

All right. Well, look, this has been a lot of fun. It is good show.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:35

Absolutely. Absolutely. Dudley, if you've got anything else you need to add. He's got something to say, I can tell you.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:42

Um you may want to cut this out, but may not. Um Richie, get rid of it. We do have some folks that don't like herbicides out there. Yeah, sure. And uh I can understand that. Uh, but also um, you know, we're using these to get rid of a lot of plants that weren't supposed to be here in the first place.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:05

Um, a lot of invasive plants, and uh you know, you you gotta fight fire with fire. Um, and they're just gonna keep persisting and getting worse for our grandkids, or you can make an attempt to to get rid of them. You know, none of our native uh insects or or animals uh really use a lot of these invasive plants, and so uh if we can use these uh these products. To s turn the clock back and get rid of a lot of these uh plants that weren't supposed to be there, our wildlife and insects and everything can begin to flourish again. Well, and so that's that's something to keep in mind. You know, if you're on the fence about using herbicides, uh, you may want to get around and and and look, walk around at your place and and see exactly what species of plants you have. Uh you may have some plants that are doing way more detriment to your property than just putting out uh a chemical that you know has a really short half-life or whatever uh to get rid of those. So just something to think about. I I figured I'd throw that out there.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:12

Sure. What so would you say use responsibly? Well, yeah, use responsibly, follow the label.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:19

Uh, you know, I would say if you're on the if you're on the border there about herbicides, educate yourself. Uh talk to professionals. Don't just get on Google and Google this, and the first thing it's gonna pop up is this causes blah, blah, blah. Find an educated man at your local university, man or woman, and and do your research and be diligent. Take your private application license and be educated on how to use the the herbicide properly. Uh I can't tell you how many times that I feel like herbicides are under scrutiny because of misapplication. That's right. You know, whether it be a farmer go spray a field, wind gets up, and it kills grandma's tomatoes over there. Well, that's a that's not the chemicals' fault. It's a mis, it's a misapplication fault. And I think, you know, we sometimes we can be our own worst enemies, and that's with anything. Uh herbicide is nothing no more than a tool. I mean, for a farmer conservation, it's whatever. I mean, it's a tool that's in a toolbox, no different than a mechanic in a ratchet or a wrench. You know, it's just a and we have to use everything properly.

SPEAKER_10 1:34:24

I don't know how you could do it in the south without it. I mean, I don't. I mean, are you gonna plow the ground all the time? You know, then you know. I mean, so you you yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:34

Are these homemade jobs where you get a bunch of vinegar and soap and some kind of salt and mix it together? I wouldn't want that on my ground.

SPEAKER_10 1:34:42

You know, no. Echo on what what Twinkie said. Proper application. Yep.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:47

Twinkie well said. Yeah. Broshon, we've enjoyed uh you you coming up here. Yeah, we'll meet you at Northgate for lunch. That'll work. We're told you are quite the the expert at a lot of this stuff. So I don't know what about that. We're gonna put you through the paces.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:00

You don't have to boot the best, just the most available.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:05

Oh my goodness. Well, uh, Richie, we got anything else we need to touch on?

SPEAKER_05 1:35:09

No, we've hit everything.

SPEAKER_10 1:35:10

All right. What about it, John? You got anything over there? No.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:14

Yep. All right. Why don't you say goodbye, Dudley?

SPEAKER_10 1:35:17

Goodbye, Dudley. Get us out of here, Richie.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:22

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