EP: 455 | One Time in Mexico

This week we’re joined by avid California hunter Parrey Cremeans as he tells a wild story about a turkey hunt in Mexico that will frazzle your nerves. It’s a story that doesn’t reflect the vast majority of hunting trips south of the border, but certainly happened to him on this fateful day. We also learned a lot about hunting turkeys and elk in the Golden State.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

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We're live in 3, 2, 1.

SPEAKER_03 0:28

All right, guys. Welcome. We are this show, we are going all the way across the country. California. All the way across the country to Northern California, Doctor. That's different than regular California.

SPEAKER_08 0:41

It really is. It's a I got lucky in this beautiful. The best kept secret in hunting, I think. I think so. It's northern California. No, California in general. I mean, obviously, there's some parts I wouldn't go to.

SPEAKER_06 0:52

But the waterfowling is supposed to be phenomenal. They kill more mallers than we do. They got a higher limit than we do.

SPEAKER_08 0:58

Look it up. The highest waterfowl harvest in the U.S. And you know what? Not Arkansas or Missouri or Louisiana or whatever. It is. California.

SPEAKER_06 1:08

So we need to go. Well, let's go. Yeah. I've been. You didn't go with me.

unknown 1:13

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:13

Did you not get invited? No, I did not get invited.

SPEAKER_05 1:15

What happened to that?

SPEAKER_03 1:16

I don't know what happened. Let's get our guest in. Let's get our guest introduced. Look, this guy's been around a look, he's been a pro staffer for a long time. He's when you go to any of these shows, he's there working, busting his tail. He's an always working guy. Yeah, so all the way from Northern California, we've got Mr.

SPEAKER_05 1:37

Perry Crummens. Come on, sir. Welcome. Shouldn't he get the kazoos?

SPEAKER_07 1:43

Not his first time. Oh okay, okay, okay. There we go.

SPEAKER_08 1:47

All you gotta do is breathe sound effects.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

I don't get the hook. Yeah, yeah. Uh Perry, thank you for joining us.

SPEAKER_08 1:55

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

You bet, man. My pleasure. You know, after like you said, I've uh I've been with Mossy Oak since 2008.

SPEAKER_08 2:04

Awesome. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

I'm not I'm not a stranger at all. Tenure. He's a founding father.

SPEAKER_08 2:09

He's a founding father of post staff, big time.

SPEAKER_03 2:11

Favorite pattern to wear in California. What would it be, Perry?

SPEAKER_08 2:16

All of them. Come on, Bobby. All of them.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Well, brush, brush is really good in California, most of the places. But obviously, my favorite pattern, just like just most people in the world, is bottom land.

SPEAKER_06 2:27

Good old bottom land. It's amazing. My favorite color. Makes me feel like a water box. Y'all were cold.

SPEAKER_08 2:33

Cold up at the basement of it. A turkey icon, George Mayfield. Y'all were at the funeral and they buried him in his bottom land. And the whole family was wearing it, evidently. Had the walking stick with him.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

All that stuff, Landon, when we'd see him on the side of the road, we talked to him, all those old clothes, we just like, that is the coolest old thing. He will be missing.

SPEAKER_08 2:50

So here's one more shout out to George and the Mayfield family. He is and he did write a cool book. It's one of the things he always dreamed about doing, which is cool. He's left that legacy behind too. But the coolest thing, if they're listening, is his greatest legacy was not Turkey Hunting. That was probably second or third. It was his family. Yeah. Great family. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 3:08

Yeah, he was a pleasure to spend time with. There's no doubt about it. We'll be missed. We lost some, we lost some uh some good ones this year.

SPEAKER_08 3:16

Yeah, he's up over Mr. Fox.

SPEAKER_06 3:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 3:18

Yeah, well, Turkey guy.

SPEAKER_03 3:19

And then there's a guy that we've had on our podcast that writes for our magazine, Tim Flanagan, that passed away Sunday.

SPEAKER_05 3:25

Oh, and our and the hog hunting guy. Didn't he pass too? That's been a while back, but yes, Mr. Mr. Dawson passed away. And then there was the other turkey. He was with us last year. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 3:37

It was Sass Summer.

SPEAKER_05 3:38

Another turkey guy from um Alabama, too.

SPEAKER_08 3:41

The the the the message to everybody here or listening every time something like that happens, cherish every day. That's right. And the biggest crime would be all the stuff you want to get done in life. Or, you know, I learned Bob Dixon's passing rock meat to my core so bad. I started, and y'all know, you know, I've gotten, you know, good or bad about it both uh off the charts. It's like let people know how you feel about them now. Don't wait. You know, tell them you love them. If you love someone, tell them. If you don't love them, learn to love them. There you go.

SPEAKER_06 4:19

You know, I'm learning to love you, Bobby. I'm working on that. That's a love-hate relationship.

SPEAKER_08 4:24

That's kind of like dope magazine Spy versus Spy, if y'all ever read those uh coming. That's like Landy Lady. We've come a long way. The Bobby Landy story.

SPEAKER_03 4:32

It's coming for all of us, and we need to make sure we get our lives right. Now, yeah, we can't.

SPEAKER_02 4:37

And don't let anybody kid you. It's not weird to tell another man you love him.

SPEAKER_08 4:41

Heck no, it's weird not to, to be honest with you. Yeah, and that guy's in California, and he's telling you that. California.

SPEAKER_03 4:48

So, you know what, guys, we all have something in common with Perry that we may not have realized that we did. He was a big BMXer. A legend in the BMX world. We've been riding a Rambo electric bike around jumping stuff. We are Rambo's Bikes is a new sponsor of the show. Yes. Okay. And have you seen one of these things, Perry? It's incredible.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

I have. The electric bike world is crazy how far, far ahead it is.

SPEAKER_03 5:17

Yeah, this thing Doxie, you could cover so much ground. I just need training.

SPEAKER_08 5:21

I just I'm getting old, I need training wheels.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

I was shocked at how much just power this thing. Yeah, no, it's over there. Knock your hat off your head. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 5:30

And it's got two motors on it. Daniel had the use of one, one spring. You're talking about somebody covered some ground. I bet so. Yeah. He covered some ground. I'm not sure I like anybody having one on my places. I would like for me to have one, but I don't think I'd want everybody in this group to be able to cover ground on that. I want one. After riding it, I want one.

SPEAKER_05 5:48

I'm gonna borrow it come spring. Yeah. They're quieter than anything. I just need a ramp to be able to like put it on the back of my. What are you gonna table top? Will they make those too?

SPEAKER_03 5:58

No, no, I mean to load it on the back of the street.

SPEAKER_06 6:00

You're not supposed to be freestyling out there by the way.

SPEAKER_03 6:04

Hey, look, let me say this, okay, real quick. You guys in Louisiana, you got something new to hunt. The Louisiana ducks. Oh, the the tree ducks, the whistling ducks. Oh, really? They created a season for them. October 3rd through 11th, statewide. Um, there's gonna be a uh black-bellied whistling duck section. I have seen them. They are beautiful. They are beautiful. They're here.

SPEAKER_08 6:27

I hear there's some controversy that they're pushing wood ducks around and all that. Maybe so. They're beautiful. I've got them in the lake behind my house.

SPEAKER_04 6:35

Yeah, we had them at the dog kennels the other day.

SPEAKER_08 6:38

This time of year, I never I have not seen any in duck season yet. But they say they are the most delicious of ducks.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Well, they said they had a 4,000 percent increase, population increase since 2005.

SPEAKER_06 6:50

So it's it's creating an opportunity there. Uh, we've been watching them on the waterway here for 15 years, and they were they were really localized to uh um they come and go a bit. Well, they were they're really staying up there around Hamilton um because I'd seen them years ago everywhere. And now this was 15 years ago.

SPEAKER_08 7:05

You sit on my patio and you hear them, they come right over the house.

SPEAKER_06 7:08

So we can we not hunt them every day.

SPEAKER_08 7:10

I don't I don't know. You can in in duck season. Oh yeah, I didn't think about that. Yeah, but they don't have a special season for them, yeah. That makes a lot more sense. How about that? How about that?

SPEAKER_02 7:21

Yeah, Perry, do y'all have whistling ducks out there? We do. We we've got just about every duck you could probably hunt, but uh you know, uh the the uh they're uh they're mostly most of our ducks, you know, end up down here in the uh Delta, you know, in the valley. That's where you have they have those really expensive duck clubs that you know you have a concrete heated duck club on a rice field, and they they shoot some odd ones down there that don't belong there sometimes for sure.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

I can't get over that they can kill six mileers and we can only kill seven.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

It's more than that.

SPEAKER_08 8:01

Seven. Seven. You know, that's I got that's where I found out I had no idea that the Pacific Flyway. And I think what's the 100-day season, 120-day season?

SPEAKER_02 8:12

It's long for sure.

SPEAKER_08 8:12

It's longer than a lot longer than ours. I think double. But I sounds like we need the name out, but I've one of my dear friends y'all know forever, is Travis Hall from Browning, and um he showed a picture and he had like seven greenheads. And I was like, You he was you know at his duck club. I said, I said, you know, you can uh you you know, you I guess you can always say the guy shot a few of them that's taking the picture too, but you don't need to show up over the limit of ducks around your neck. I know you had a big crew with you hunting and all that. He said, They're sitting over a limit. I said, What? He said, We can kill seven greenheads.

SPEAKER_06 8:48

I never knew it. I gotta tell you, I think I'd rather go duck hunting in California than turkey.

SPEAKER_04 8:52

Maybe we need to take some notes from their habitat stuff.

SPEAKER_06 8:56

Yeah. Well, and they they've also kind of talked about that influx of we've talked about this a little bit. The game for farm, it's not affecting as much out there. But I think they are starting to see some out there too.

SPEAKER_08 9:07

It was almost 100% on the Atlantic Flyway, had some traces of that DNA. Up to 30% in the Mississippi Flyway. Just a few traces in the central, but very little. And then I said, What about California? He said zero. There's none. I think they have found some traces. Oh, yeah? Yeah, yeah. But traces, trace traces will never be a problem.

SPEAKER_06 9:27

I nearly like this over.

SPEAKER_08 9:28

And they do. There's something to do with uh where they go. The the habitat for nesting is more consistent than some of these other flyaways. So I'm hoping for a really good year this year, cross your fingers. We've had a wet summer. Yes, we are.

SPEAKER_06 9:41

We need it, we we're doing good duck season.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

Yes, we are. Dudley, why don't you uh start with your rapid fires brought to you by Nutrient Ag Nutri? Nutrient nutrient aggressive. They're just dropping the actual solutions simplifying things.

SPEAKER_08 9:56

That's all they do is provide solutions.

SPEAKER_04 9:58

So it's a one-stop shop, so it just needs to be one word. Nutrient agriculture. That's right. There we go.

SPEAKER_06 10:03

Is it even nutrient ag? I thought it was just nutrient. Nutrient. Nutrient. Have we said it enough? Nutrient.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

Okay. All right, Perry. So I'm gonna ask you some questions in rapid fire. Just need a quick response so our listeners can get to know you better. Are you ready?

SPEAKER_02 10:20

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_04 10:22

What is the closest distance you've ever seen an elk arrowed or shot?

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Uh nine yards.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

What is your favorite state to hunt outside of California? Oregon. First deer. What was it? What gun and how old?

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Um 1979, so I was 16 years old. Well, actually, sorry, 15 and a half years old, uh, 1977, and it was a 3030 Winchester that my grandfather gave to me, black tail deer. Blacktail.

SPEAKER_04 11:03

That's a cool one. We don't get that one much.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

No, nope.

SPEAKER_04 11:06

Uh so out of your bit outfitting business, uh, what is the most recent harvest a client has made?

SPEAKER_02 11:14

Um April 28th, and it was uh Turkey by the Woodhaven guys.

SPEAKER_04 11:24

Awesome. Um most common thing you order at a Mexican restaurant.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

Mexican food. All right, all right, I'll follow up.

SPEAKER_04 11:35

Very do you ever order American food at a Mexican restaurant?

SPEAKER_02 11:40

Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_04 11:41

I do all the time. How much per acre does hunting or rural land go for in your area these days?

SPEAKER_02 11:49

If you're buying just straight land with nothing on it, you might get it. If you're if you're going larger plots, like you know, a thousand acres, you might get it for six or seven hundred an acre, but there's nothing on it. If you want water or pasture or hunting ground, you're gonna pay a little bit more, probably fifteen hundred an acre. But if you're gonna lease it, uh it's probably about three dollars an acre for hunting lease. Bobby, we need some lease out in California.

SPEAKER_08 12:19

Y'all take credit cards?

SPEAKER_02 12:20

We do at 1031. Yeah. But it's just like everywhere, it's getting worse. You know, everybody's got more dollars than the next guy. I hadn't heard that those numbers in a long time.

SPEAKER_04 12:30

What are your favorite freshwater and saltwater water fish to eat from your area?

SPEAKER_02 12:36

Uh, freshwater is striped bass off Shasta Lake. Saltwater is Alba Cortuna off the Oregon coast.

SPEAKER_04 12:42

You got it. Most miles you've ever walked in a day.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

Oh, geez. I don't know. I know I ran 26.2 miles in a day in a marathon once. That's good enough. Tip of the hat right there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:58

And uh where is the furthest place you've ever been hunting?

SPEAKER_02 13:04

Um Campeachy.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

All right.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

I think it I think it's further than uh Saskatchewan.

SPEAKER_04 13:13

Probably for you. Good answer. Where is Campeach? Where's Campeach? Is that Miss Congress? That's where they shoot those oscillated turtles. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 13:20

No Bigfoot question. He's in Northern California.

SPEAKER_04 13:22

I thought that would be. Have you ever seen a Bigfoot?

SPEAKER_02 13:26

No, but there is no Bigfoot.

SPEAKER_04 13:28

Okay. Good answer.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

You're you've let Bobby down. Ruined it for everybody. I've I've been all over Northern California hunting hounds for when we used to be able to run them for 20, 25 years. I've never seen a book Bigfoot footprint, and we've never struck one with the hounds.

SPEAKER_08 13:46

I thought they saw one in Los Angeles one time. I wouldn't be surprised what probably the Jack Lynx guy.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

Well, this this whole thing about came out of a dumpster.

SPEAKER_08 13:58

Sounds like it's it's amazing the diversity. If you look at the geographic coverage of, correct me if I'm wrong, um, California. Just look at them out. It's the size of the, you know, the state's huge. And you look at the red or blue, about 80 or more percent of the state geographically is Republican or conservative.

unknown 14:20

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_08 14:20

It just happens that all those m three major, major cities are totally off the charts, liberal, democrat. And it changes, it makes the whole it tilts the whole state. Right. And I realize that's all based on population, but it's interesting to look at the geographic coverage of the conservative values in the country.

SPEAKER_04 14:39

Well, yeah, I mean, it it's a rural state where it's a rural state.

SPEAKER_08 14:43

You know, in our part of the world, we all want to throw California on the bus, and there's some good reasons to a lot about a lot of what they do, but there's so many great people in so much great, beautiful country there, too, that we kind of overlook.

SPEAKER_04 14:55

Well, the the diversity in the geography is insane.

SPEAKER_08 14:59

It is insane.

SPEAKER_04 15:00

Going east to west, it can change so quickly from like mountainous to desert to richest farmland. Tropical rain, um rainforest. Richest farmland in the whole country.

SPEAKER_06 15:11

I got had the pleasure of going out there turkey one time, and we were hunting in olive orchard, I mean in uh almond orchards uh around these almond orchards, and ended up harvesting a turkey, and then within two hours we were in snow in the red wood forest, uh taking pictures with us within you know hours of it. So it was a completely great experience for me.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

How about that? We have 40 million people here in California, and nine million of them live in Los Angeles.

SPEAKER_08 15:41

Yes, there you have it. Oof. Okay, let's deliver me from look.

SPEAKER_03 15:46

Uh we Perry, we asked you here to talk about to tell us a little there was an event that happened three years ago. It happened in Mexico.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

That's a good description, an event.

SPEAKER_03 15:57

Yeah. So we'd love to get you to kind of tell us a little bit about. I mean, tell us this story, please.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Well, so it was uh I think it was 2023. I think you were right there with COVID. And uh myself and a good friend, Mr. Ted Lighty, and an outdoor writer, Mr. Scott Haugen. Uh, he wanted to go down. Scott had not uh he had not killed uh harvested all of his turkeys for a world world slam. So uh and Ted and I we were actually doing a single season world slam. We'd already been to Campeachy. Um so uh we we booked a trip for late May uh you know so we could get our gold's turkey that year. And I we were going with an outfitter I'd been with already five or six different times. Harvested turkeys every time, had a great trip every time, not a single issue. So uh we fly into Hermesio, we uh we all meet up with uh Jorge, that's our guide. And uh outfitter, anyways, and uh and we we head uh head east out of Hermesillo, everything went fine, got into the airport, got our guns, everything was perfect. Uh we go to a little town called Yakora, it's in the Sierra Madre Mountains, about three and a half hours east of Hermesio. So we go hunting for three days, we're there for three days. We hunt. Um first evening, Scott shot his turkey, so he was good, so he filmed a little bit, moving on. Um in two three days, I shot two turkeys, Ted shot three, Scott shot one, Jorge shot two. So we we shot plenty of turkeys. There were you know, it was good turkey hunting. Jorge's hunting now. I like it. And this is the ghoul's turkey. Ghoul's turkeys out in the Sierra Madre Mountains. And I mean, you know what ghoul's country looks like. It it is just like the desert, man. And these are rough mountains. So, anyways, we we had a great time. Uh our goal was to leave Wednesday about 10 o'clock because we had to drive three and a half hours back to Hermesillo. We're flying out on Thursday. So everything went well. We we all got our turkeys, we had all of our good Mexican food, our uh margaritas, the whole nine yards. We get up Wednesday morning, we have a good breakfast, and we start headed towards Hermesillo. Uh we got we have all of our gear in the back of Jorge's. He's he's got like a 2020 uh silver uh Silver Auto four-wheel drive, new truck, brand new truck, and uh we're the highways there are in and out of canyons, up and over mountains, two lanes the whole way. So we're just cruising along on a nice sunny day, like no problem. And uh I'm in the front passenger seat, uh Ted and Scott are in the back seat, and Jorge, of course, is driving. And uh we go over this pass and we start coming through this little windy canyon, and all of a sudden this other uh newer Dodge truck comes around us on the left-hand side like he's just passing on a double yellow, right? And I'm thinking, well, heck, Jorge, who'd you make mad, right? Well, they diagonal us in the road right across the highway. And I'm like, Jorge, who did you tick off, you know? And next thing I know, there's three dudes, Mexican guys coming out of this pickup with uh with assault weapons, you know, ARs, whatever they were, you know, and they had they they were American guns, you could tell. They had all the extras on them. But anyways, they were on us pretty fast. And and obviously, uh next thing I know, their leader, whoever he was, he's uh he's on the driver's side talking to Jorge, and Jorge, there's talking in Spanish, so that makes it even worse. You don't have any idea what they're saying. And uh all I all I know is Jorge kept repeating Americano. So uh honestly, uh I think we probably saved his life, to tell you the truth. Um, but anyways, next thing I know, they're having us get out of the truck, you know. And by this time, two of these guys have Scott and Ted out of the back seat with these guns on their side, they're pointed at him on their side. And I'm like, Hore, what's going on? Is this real? You know, and he's trying to trying to barter negotiate or whatever with this other Mexican guy. Um they get me out of the front seat, and I reach into the console to get my cell phone, and the guy puts the gun on me and says no, and I said, No, you're not, I'm taking that. That's my way home. I'm not leaving that. And Jorge said something, the other guy said something, they let me get my cell phone, anyways. But uh the whole time they have these ARs trained on us, we're we're in this on the highway in the middle of the road, stopped. And uh it seemed like it was forever, but I bet it was only minutes. But you know, no one's going past. So obviously they had this thing cased out. So when it's all said and done, they tell us to unload our stuff out of the back of the truck. So we unload all of our gear. We have our guns. Scott's got like $35,000 worth of camera gear, you know. And uh all of our gears on the side of the road at the white line. Then they get all four of us over to the white line to turn around with your hands up. That's when it got real. Yeah. And uh and and I'm sure you know, Ted being the twenty two retired military guy, and Scott being a regular guy, we're all thinking the same thing, man. If if there's a gunshot, we're not. Dying on the side of the road here like a coyote, you know. But next thing you know, those guys they jump in that truck and they they drive off screaming and yelling, some whatever uh Mexican cartel they were with, right? And so all of a sudden we're there with all of our gear and they're gone and no one's around. I mean, we're two hours in the middle of nowhere. They took the truck, they took the truck. That's all they took was the truck. They let us unload all of our gear. And so we obviously we grabbed all of our gear, started wheeling it down to a turnout about 50 or 60 yards. Uh, you might have seen the picture of us hauling all of our gear down the highway. But the first thing both Ted and I did is I grabbed my shotgun and started putting some shells in it, man. Because heck, I didn't know if they were coming back or not. And uh, you know, it was it was pretty harrowing. And uh fortunately, there was cell service. Jorge Jorge flagged down a car, it was a small car, so it was gonna not fit us, but he had this car with a couple gals in it, chased down these other uh young Mexican guys in a pickup that had about eight different colors on it, and the door was held closed by a rope and all that stuff. But uh he sent them back to pick us up. We threw all of our gear in the back of their truck and they put me in the front seat with these two young Mexican guys, and now I'm thinking, now where are we going?

SPEAKER_07 23:34

What's next?

SPEAKER_02 23:35

With two more Mexican guys, right? It it goes on. So, anyways, long story short, it's not it's not a short story, but uh Jorge got a hold of some of his friends, uh, and they met us in a small town where we went to the uh uh the town center or whatever it was, and we they we hung out there, they gave us some drinks and stuff and took care of us. But his his buddies met us there and drove us back into Hermesio. So we got there that evening still, and he he said, Hori was good about it. He goes, he goes, you guys don't want to go to the police station. If you go to the police station and make a report or anything, they're you're not you're not flying out tomorrow. And he said, he said, you got all your stuff, you don't have to worry about it, just forget it and fly out tomorrow and go home. Well, it turns out that Scott knew someone at the Border Patrol. So Scott texted this fellow at the Border Patrol, and he uh he he the Border Patrol guy says, Well, send me your coordinates where you were, and this uh this uh he sent him a picture of one of those predator unmanned drones. He said, This will be in the air in two hours. And the irony is those predator unmanned drones, our our company actually makes the wheels for them. So I I recognized the equipment and what it was for. So, anyways, that guy he he flew. Scott talked to him the next morning, and he said that uh, well, what would have happened if you found that truck at one of those camps? And he said, Well, the Mexican police in that area already had a problem with that cartel. They had killed a Mexican police or something. So he said, if he sent them the coordinates of their camp where that truck was, they'd have gone in there and killed everyone in the camp. That's how they roll down there. But he he said in two hours of flying, he said he saw no more, no, no less than a thousand people walking across the Sierra Madre Mountains headed for the border. Wow. And we're talking about mountains. If you don't know where the water is out there, you're gonna die. It's it's rough. And so Scott's Scott's like, you know, what else could we have done? And the guy says, I have no idea why they even gave you all your gear. He said, he said, I'll tell you what right where they pulled you over. He said it was in a canyon, canyon walls, S turn on a highway. He said, Uh you could have done nothing else. So, anyways, we we fared pretty well, but uh, but I'll I'll tell you who didn't fare well was my wife. She wasn't very happy when I got home because she didn't want me to go to Mexico in the first place. But it took her about two days to realize that I'm the one that got had had a life-threatening experience, and she finally realized that you know, you're not going back to Mexico, but I'm glad you're here.

SPEAKER_06 26:27

So I'm assuming Jorge didn't get his truck back.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

He never got his truck back, and I mean Jorge's pretty connected. These guys, he's a high-end Mexican guy, you know. Yeah, and uh Hermesillo has cows, cattle guy, all that stuff. And he knew the governor or the the mayor or whatever it is of the city where this cartel is from, and and he called that guy and he said, Jorge, I can't help you. So he he just never got his truck back. But uh, yeah, why they gave our our gear back, the other guy, the border patrol guy said he has no idea. And heck, I had a couple thousand dollars cash in my front pocket. They never asked for anything, you know. So apparently they just wanted the truck. They they like the nice new trucks.

SPEAKER_05 27:14

But uh that had to be a very tense situation. Shoot, I couldn't imagine, man.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

Oh, it was tense, it was tense, I'm telling you right now. But in all honesty, I'd been down there enough. Afterwards, you know, it stung for a little while, but I'd really like to go back and you know, I'm I'm trying to go in January and go uh koos deer hunting, and uh I just got to figure out how to do it and uh convince my wife it's okay, you know.

SPEAKER_06 27:42

Yeah, that's your biggest challenge, reserve.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

But but I know a lot of guys go back down to Campeachy and and hunt with uh Manuel. And I think I have my wife talked into going down there because you can go to the to the beach. You know, the beach is really close. You go to the runes and you just hang out there and see some history down there. It's it's pretty much Central America, you know.

SPEAKER_03 28:03

But uh well, we know quite a few people, you know, Mike Chamberlain and Hank Parker. There's a lot of guys that go to Mexico Turkey hunting and and have great times and don't have any. Hank had a little run in, didn't he? Talk to us about that. Well, I think he sh shot uh something then off somebody's he may have uh there was a little bit of an interesting going through gates and they ended up finding a letter and then they they let him go.

SPEAKER_06 28:26

You remember that? Yeah, something I remember something about that.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

Well, the the the thing is, afterwards, after I tell that story to folks, you hear people open up and say, hey, something like that happened to me. And uh, you know, there's a lot of them, a lot of Americans that are going down there and buying property and living down there. And they talk about how into having to steer around certain places with the cartel. And the local people, sometimes they like a work guy. Guy told me a story about a work guy that had, you know, he was a handyman guy down there. He said the cartel came and just took his truck. And they're like, Well, aren't you gonna fight him for it? And the guy's like, I can't do anything. They'll kill my whole family if I even try to get my truck back. So it's a bad deal down there for sure.

SPEAKER_06 29:13

If you're riding on the road, you need to be in a beater, it sounds like. I got the safest way to all.

SPEAKER_08 29:21

I know it usually is. Don't go. Yeah. Don't go. My old tire country bus can stay right here.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

I'm with you. If we were down there in our trucks, they'd just let us know. Yeah, they'd be like, they'd give us theirs. Here, you take this truck. You need some we're gonna take your 300,000 miles.

SPEAKER_08 29:37

Hey, we'll we'll all we'll all sing at your funeral. Uh we ain't going broke.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

Ted and Scott said no, they ain't heck no, they ain't going back. They're not going back.

SPEAKER_06 29:46

So well, I mean, that sure takes uh a little bit of the pleasure out of something to think about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 29:54

Wow. Everybody I know that went to the turkey hunters at Pim, all said I've never, you know, everything was stories you hear. Yeah, they're you know, they don't want to mess with the you know tourism and stuff down here and you know, people coming in. So they don't know.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

And honestly, like I said, I'm pretty sure that we saved Jorge's life because you know, three three dead white guys, Americans on the side of the road, something's gonna happen. One dead Mexican dead on the side of the road, nobody's gonna even raise an eyebrow, right? Wow, that's so sad.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

Sounds like they needed a truck that day, and they they just happened to be coming through. There's one. Let's get in.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

Well, honestly, honestly, after talking about it, we we're pretty sure it was a setup from that little town because there's no way anybody knew when we were leaving, what we were doing.

SPEAKER_06 30:44

Oh, so they knew where you were going. They saw you earlier that day. Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

And and everybody that helped on the turkey hunt, you know, all the the guides and the helpers and everything, they all had brand new gear, you know, they had brand new clothes and all this stuff. And I'm like, how do these people support themselves, you know?

SPEAKER_08 31:04

Well, yeah, they got a five-finger discount on a lot of it, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

Well, you know, a lot of guys when you go on a trip, you'll gift the guy. If he's your size, you gift them.

SPEAKER_08 31:14

Not all of them. He's standing across the board.

unknown 31:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Well, Lanny and I'd have done that.

SPEAKER_08 31:20

Oh, really? Oh, 20 people in camp, you gave them all brand new clothing and yeah, I did, but you you were paying for it.

SPEAKER_06 31:27

It was great.

SPEAKER_03 31:29

Oops. But you would just give them what you had. Because you if you had new stuff. I I've done that.

SPEAKER_08 31:34

I'm buying and you have too. I'm buying Perry's. He was there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

I do the same.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

I everywhere I go, I have moss yolk gear still in the bag. And you know, if I have a guy that's not wearing moss yolk, he's wearing it after I leave, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_06 31:49

There you go.

SPEAKER_08 31:50

That's our boy.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

That's the way you do it.

SPEAKER_03 31:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 31:52

God love you.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

Well, Perry, uh, since that happened, do you uh do you have any other insight into like what did it you the other guys were with y'all or do y'all doing anything differently now if you were gonna go back to Mexico? What would you do different?

SPEAKER_02 32:06

I I can't say I would do anything different, Bobby, because like I said, I'd been there a half a dozen times already with not a hiccup at all. Had a great time every time. Heck, I went there if you remember John Higley, you know, uh turkey rider. Him and I went twice, had no problem at all.

SPEAKER_04 32:26

I think all that activity is cyclical and it, you know, it moves from area to area. Um, you can probably, you know, we we know a lot of people that still go there and and don't have a problem. And I'm I'm sure some of the outfitters that work down there, you know, that that can affect their business. Yes. And so that's kind of a it's kind of a difficult situation to discuss. But um, I would say, you know, call your outfitter and call people that have been there before and get the facts. Yeah. Yeah, and I get the local get the local report, you know, before you go.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

Heck, I think it's just a bad luck thing, you know, a timing thing.

SPEAKER_06 33:06

Hey man, there is a lot to be said about the wrong place, wrong. Well, I'm experiencing that right now. To the degree.

SPEAKER_08 33:12

Go to the wrong section of town.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

He's right. Yeah. Even in nature. Yeah. That's right. Wow. Let's turn a page. There you go. Let's talk about turkey hunting in California. And you're a big elk hunter. Are you hunting California?

SPEAKER_08 33:26

Let's talk about hunting in California.

SPEAKER_02 33:29

Yeah. Yeah. No, we I mean, like you said, we got so much game here, and a lot of it we can't even hunt, like these dang wolves and mountain lions are here right now. But uh California elk is really limited. I mean, we're the only state that has all three species, you know, Thule, Rockies, and Roosevelts. And uh unless you're pretty loaded, I had a retired MBA guy that was a uh client, he wanted to shoot all three in one season. So we had to buy tags, right? And he did it before it got pretty expensive. It probably cost him about a hundred grand to do it. What right now to do it, it's gonna cost you if you want to buy all three elk tags, it's probably gonna cost you about a hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

SPEAKER_05 34:14

Thank you. That's I can't you putting in I can't um I can't handle that, but that's a lot of that's a lot of turkey and white tail leases right there. We can't comprehend that, period.

SPEAKER_06 34:24

That's just three dollars an acre.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

What about draw? How does that work? So the draw to give you, and I'll give you an idea on our our Rocky Mountain elk here. So the the unit is like from Redding, California to Medford, which is uh 155 miles, to the east to the Nevada border, which is about 150 miles, and that entire square of California is one unit, and they give 15 tags, 15 gun tags, uh 10 bow and arrow tags, uh five cow tags, and two apprentice tags in that entire unit. And there's probably I don't know, I bet there's five or six thousand elk in that unit. But our local elk here, we we actually every every so often we draw a landowner tag and we sell those for about 12 grand. Uh private land management tags are different, they'll sell for about 25,000. Uh, those are guaranteed every year for that ranch that's on the program. But in in our uh northeastern unit, there's only about five of those tags. Wow. So it's pretty pretty dang limited if you want to draw an elk tag here. But you're probably gonna shoot a pretty you're gonna shoot a quality elk for sure if you have a tag.

SPEAKER_06 35:49

I was thinking if it's like that, well, you just gonna have a quality hunt.

SPEAKER_08 35:53

Well, you ought to go out there, Bobby. That's uh it's a little bit out of my price, right? That that's kind of that's not an unusual price from what I've heard. I'm not necessarily.

SPEAKER_06 36:03

I mean, you're looking at anywhere you go, elk on, I imagine at least 12 now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 36:07

I mean the really elite places I less you draw over 20 of an like an archery tag, over 20, and you have a three-year waiting list to get on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:17

Yeah, there's the the tags they sell, like in Utah, it's crazy what they get for them. You know, and of course, the DNRs are always looking to sell more, you know. They want that money. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:32

Perry, are y'all seeing a lot more mountain lions since there's been some changes out there?

SPEAKER_02 36:38

Well, we've always seen a lot of mountain lions. I was I was in Southern California for the weekend in Temecula, and I drove right through Pasadena. They caught a mountain line in Pasadena over the weekend.

SPEAKER_08 36:52

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

In the town. So they're they're building these wildlife bridges in Los Angeles. Well, the deer used to be safe in town, they're not now because the mountain lines can go across those wildlife bridges. They don't have to worry about getting run over. Well, but but we have so many. They estimate now the the problem here is bears, you know. We have between 55 and 75,000 bears in California. Oh my gosh. So is there a season? Yeah, there's a season, but it's only in the fall. They have a quota and a season, and I've actually written to the commission myself and said, hey, you have a you have a quota for bears. Ever since they took hounds away, they've not made that quota. They end up the quota's 1800. They end up shooting about nine, eight, or nine hundred a year, right? They they're trying to figure out ways to harvest more bears. Now they're going to give us two bear tags, which, you know, guys that hunt bears, they're special guys. They're not everybody's going to buy two bear tags. You know, once the first year they didn't have hounds and they moved the bear season earlier, they came really close to filling the quota, but that's just because people came across bears during deer season and they shot them. Well, those guys that shot bears, they realize bears are no joke, they're a lot of work. And how many guys you know that want to shoot more than one bear? You know, there's there's guys that go bear hunting every year, but it's the same guys. It's not new guys that need to go bear hunting every year.

SPEAKER_06 38:27

Um, on the the dog thing, on the hound thing, are there any other restrictions about hunting with with dogs out there other than I mean, how does that look?

SPEAKER_02 38:37

Well, they tried to bring it back last year, but the problem is they took it away through legislation, so they have to give it back through legislation, which means people in the state have to vote on it.

SPEAKER_06 38:48

Is it is it in the pursuit of specific species or using dogs in general to hunt?

unknown 38:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 38:54

So it's species species specific. You can still run dogs on fox, coon, pigs. Uh they took our bobkey period, took our bobcat season away five years ago. Oh, they'll work on you, turkeys now. So there's this new word they came up with, which which is uh oh kleptoparitism, right?

SPEAKER_06 39:17

Kleptoparitism. That's a new one for me.

SPEAKER_02 39:21

That's a bobby new.

SPEAKER_08 39:22

So what it is I can't even spell it. Is that we're allergic to Perry? Is that what it means? They're stealing something.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

So what it is is the uh so a mountain lion goes out and kills a deer on Monday, and it's gonna come back and eat that deer probably all the way through Friday or Saturday. Well, it kills that deer, eats the internals or whatever, and then it comes back on Tuesday. Well, a bear's come in and already taken over that kill. So that lion has to go kill another deer. So they figure that the lions are killing five times more, five or six times more deer than they normally would because the bears are stealing, you know. And they did a study, I guess, and of there was 26 lions that had kills that they monitored. And of those 26, only one actually fought, you know, tried to defend its kill over a bear. It lost, of course. But so those those lions all went out and re-killed, you know. Well, that's the other thing. We're getting there's so many bears, and there's so many bears making, you know, eight, nine, ten, twelve years old. There's some giants around here. I mean, four or five hundred-pound bears. Wow. And those the worst thing about that is those mature bears are teaching the immature bears how to hunt fawns. You know, you can watch up in our wilderness, you can watch the bears just graph a hillside off. You know, they figure out how to hunt those fawns. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_06 40:52

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:53

Black bears, excuse magnets.

SPEAKER_06 40:55

Black bear, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:56

Black bears. Black bear. And and they figure the other, you know, I told you what the elk unit was. Well, the other way in Northwest California, from Reading to the coast and Reading to the Oregon border, all that western corner has the highest bear tendency, they say, in the world, even higher than Canada. Four bears per mile. Whoa. Golly.

unknown 41:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:17

Well, that's the country over there where Bigfoot lives. So you can't find them all. Perry, do y'all have a lot of wild pigs in California? We do, we do, and they, you know, the state finally figured out that you know they aren't managing wild pigs. So now they used to make us buy a tag for every pig. Oh, no way. Wow. Yeah. Every pig, so it was like $23 for a resident to buy a pig tag. You can buy as many as you want, and there's no season, it's all year long. Well, now what they've done is they finally have what's called a harvest report. So you buy that harvest report for $23 or $24, and you just every month you call in and say how many pigs you shot.

SPEAKER_06 42:02

And I think out there, the from what they're forging on, they're they're really good to eat. Is that true? I've heard that.

SPEAKER_02 42:08

I well, I eat them. What I've been doing lately, though, is I go out about oh, once a month and I shoot a pig and turn it into uh dog food. You know, I make home mood, homemade dog food out of it. My dogs love it. I bet they do.

SPEAKER_08 42:25

High quality protein.

SPEAKER_02 42:26

High quality protein.

SPEAKER_06 42:27

It's not a bad idea. That's not a bad idea.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

But yeah, but now there's the the other crazy thing is they they made it for non-residents where you can shoot pigs off of a two-day license. So you can get a two-day license for like $65 or something like that, but you still have to buy a pig validation, which is $93. So yeah, for non-resident.

SPEAKER_08 42:50

They should pay us to shoot pigs for them because they're gonna destroy everything if you don't.

SPEAKER_02 42:55

Yeah. Are they a big problem there in places? They do some places. They a lot of people speculate the reason they change those rules is because apparently the pig somehow got into Gavin Newsom's winery and tore the heck out of it. Good for the pigs. Maybe that changed it. Yeah, good for the pigs, I guess. But yeah, no, there's the I've I've talked to the state, you know, on articles for magazines and everything. There, they cannot tell you how many pigs are in California. All they can tell you is how many tags got validated. Right. You know, and it all the pigs are basically on private land. I mean, I could send you some to some public land where you could probably, if you spend some time out there, you could shoot a pig or two. But most of them are on private land. And the problem out here is our landowners have figured out those pigs are a resource. We get twelve hundred dollars for a two day pig hunt.

SPEAKER_06 43:52

Hey man, tell her there's a we got some slots open in Mississippi.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

Yeah. Do it for less than

SPEAKER_06 44:00

Hunter today only.

SPEAKER_03 44:02

Wow. Boy, it's uh you know, picture just they're showing up all over the place. I I'm I'm looking doing a little research. Mike Chamberlain's helped me. We've got it trying to get a guest on that's that's doing this Judas pig research. It sounds really interesting. But uh and a lot of it's going on in Canada, Tox. I had no idea they had wild pigs in Canada.

SPEAKER_08 44:20

Yeah, they're so when they become you know a biblical plague level, is so kind of habitat dependent, you know, because I can see California just having an infestation of them somewhere, but then they've got some stuff that's not very good habitat for them. You know, and but we you know, some of this around here, especially in these fringe drainage upland fringes, yes, is perfect for them. Ideal. Especially they love, you know, they can they've got what Dudley five, six months of food with the oak forest around them. Oh yeah. It's crazy. So, I mean, where you've got the the not just the pure wetland drainages, which they do love, but you know, they don't like flooding. But you've got that like ours are narrow drainages with fringe, you know, uplands right out, you know, around available to them. It's just they just exploded.

SPEAKER_04 45:08

I would imagine out in California, they they probably move around more from you know food source to food source.

SPEAKER_08 45:15

And their water's limited in some spots, and that's gonna limit them. They gotta have water all the time.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

Yeah. We we don't we don't ever find pigs above snow line, like in the alpine environment. They just they can't survive there or they they don't need to they don't go there because the food source just isn't good enough, right?

SPEAKER_08 45:31

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

So they're gonna be they're gonna be in pasture land and you know, down in the you know, with in the acorn beds and that kind of stuff, you know. They they move off of the grasses in the summertime, they just graze like the cows do. You know, a lot of people think they root up fields and stuff. A lot of times they just graze off of that wild oat and stuff, and uh they will root up stuff, don't get me wrong. But then as soon as fall hits and you know, late September when the acorns hit the ground, you don't find them, they're up in the trees.

SPEAKER_08 46:00

If we don't I it's just my opinion, I have nothing to base it on, but my opinion. If we don't take, or the government or their agencies and everybody, private landowners, they don't take some major steps more than we're doing. I know we're all trying to trap and people hunting and stuff, but if it's not enough, it doesn't stem the tide. We're gonna get an epidemic of uh like bad stuff for our livestock in the country, especially cattle.

SPEAKER_04 46:25

Oh, no doubt.

SPEAKER_08 46:26

There's no question, something's coming bad. And so that's then you're threatening people's food source. That's a lot different than threatening, you know, my wildlife habitat and all that. So something's there's a storm brewing on pigs in my in the future sometime, I believe. Yeah, you know, and they are pretty much nasty.

SPEAKER_03 46:43

Oh, I mean, the they where they lay and eat, and it's they're plenty.

SPEAKER_06 46:50

Look, I hate to be the way I am about them, but they're nasty. Yeah, they are well, especially here.

SPEAKER_04 46:54

They're more, you know, because it's I was watching a presentation. Uh I was watching a presentation from some PhD, uh, I think from Louisiana, out at the local refuge. They have a quarterly meeting and some smart person gets up there and talks. Um, this was about how they can transfer like fungal pathogens to to trees and stuff from their from their hooves. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_08 47:21

Absolutely. Because it's amazing what they are immune to. And I remember hearing people, and it's illegal, I'm sure, but years ago talking about poisoning them, and it didn't even it didn't even bother them. You know, it's crazy. Wow. You know.

SPEAKER_02 47:36

Just remember that now that nasty is on the on the outside, Lanny. No, no. You open one up down here, it's pretty nasty in there, too. I mean, I probably I probably gutted five or six hundred pigs in my life and seen three or four gut worms in them, and that's it.

SPEAKER_06 47:52

Man, these are these some nasty things. I have tried to make myself eat them.

SPEAKER_08 47:57

I mean, I've eaten a bunch before, but in the last 20 years, no. Yeah. Because and we we know that the prevalence of diseases has increased. I don't have numbers specifically, but I do know what they're testing for and finding.

SPEAKER_06 48:11

I think they're cleaner out there in California. Yeah, they'll eat almonds.

SPEAKER_04 48:14

Well, they're eating almonds and barley. You're supposed to cook them to like 165 or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 48:21

I'll send you a uh I'll send you a pulled pork recipe that I do with just the back straps, right?

SPEAKER_08 48:26

Yeah, I have had it and it is delicious. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm not I'm not doubting that prepared right now. Just I can't make myself take a chance on it knowing that you know there is some risk. Especially today.

SPEAKER_03 48:39

So, Perry, what what uh species of turkey do y'all have in California?

SPEAKER_02 48:44

So um we have predominantly Rios. We we do have Merriams, and believe it or not, there's a small population that's not documented of easters here that really nobody knows about.

SPEAKER_08 48:59

So it was a don't tell don't tell them.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

I'm not telling them, and I'm I actually haven't found the time to go hunt them, but they're still right where NWTF uh released them in the 70s, but they never went back. You know, the the Turkey study that NWTF did in the 70s here, they never completed it. So those easters never got documented. So uh the only state that I know out here that has all three species that are documented is Washington.

SPEAKER_08 49:29

I think Nebraska has all three. One of those does, but that's not out the West Coast. Yeah, there's a couple.

SPEAKER_02 49:36

And I hunted I hunted those easters in Washington before, and I'm telling you, they lit they're right next to the ocean.

SPEAKER_07 49:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 49:43

And it's like they are bogers, there's not very many of them. And uh I met a guy out there that was sitting on a trail, and and I heard turkeys gobble, and I had one that I thought I was gonna kill. But uh this guy shoots his eastern turkey, all three species in Washington every year. And I says, I says, Well, how do you hunt these things? And he says, Oh, I'll I'll get they feed down there and they come up here in the trees and hang out for the day. So I'll get in between them and I'll yelp every once in a while and see if one comes by. And I said, Well, how long do you sit on that trail and yelp? And he says, Oh, six or seven hours. I said, Oh my gosh. I said, Dude, I won't sit that long for a deer, let alone a turkey.

SPEAKER_08 50:24

Yeah, Landy would have whistled if he just said six or seven minutes sitting still.

SPEAKER_06 50:29

We're gonna make a move. If they aren't yelling back at me, I'm moving on. I'm the same way, Perry. Man, goblin, I'm on, I'm leaving. Perry, what's your favorite critter to hunt?

SPEAKER_02 50:40

You know, my wife always asks that because I tell her my favorite critter to hunt is archery elk. But she says, then how come you go turkey hunting so much? And I said, Well, because you can get a turkey tag in every state, and you can go turkey hunting. It's way more available to hunt than archery elk.

SPEAKER_06 50:59

That's true.

SPEAKER_03 51:00

Perry, I'm told that you're trying to kill one in all 49 states. Well, how many do you lack?

SPEAKER_02 51:05

Uh I think I just made it to 28 this year. Oh that's a good start. Yeah. You know, but I just started about five years ago because I never really thought about all 49. You know, I'd been to other states hunting, but I'd been helping people out here in California get their California bird. And then I uh I stumbled into some Nevada landowner tags, and I'm telling you, those right there are Nevada's the turn to punch bowl right now for turn um Super Slam. But um and then, you know, of course, our good buddy Jason Hart, who you know, he's got turkey feathers on his back, I'm pretty sure. Um he he came out and hunted a few times, and then Tussie came out, and some other guys came out, and I said, you know what, this is a pretty cool thing. I might try it. But I'm telling you, it's way, way overrated. And what's happening is, and it's happening to me too, it starts to be a job and a burden. And I've been to a lot of places that are fun turkey hunting, and I'm sure I've been to some and haven't been to some places yet that are gonna be good turkey hunting. But but what you want to do is you're gonna want to get done with that because you want to go turk hunting turkeys where you want to hunt turkeys with you want to hunt turkeys with.

SPEAKER_08 52:23

Yes, of course.

SPEAKER_02 52:25

You don't want to take the fun out of it. No, and if you start going, you have 10, like we went to uh this year we had 10 days, and we went to Virginia, what uh North Carolina, Kentucky, and West Virginia. Shot turkeys in three out of four of those states in ten days. You know, that's pretty yeah, but it's not, it's like you know, you just you're putting too much on yourself when hunting's supposed to be a good time for you and your buddies.

SPEAKER_08 52:50

Yes. That must be why we hunt around here so I can see that, huh? They know I'm I'm like I'm like Dorothy on the Wizard of Oz. Ain't no place like home, ain't no place like home. Yeah, there isn't no stick in the mud about that. And it's because being around everybody that you want to be around, you know. Not that I would enjoy it other places, and that that still goes.

SPEAKER_02 53:11

Hey, whatever floats your boat, you know correctly.

SPEAKER_06 53:14

No place like home.

SPEAKER_02 53:15

I I've been blessed, you know, with with the outdoor industry and my relationship with the Mossy Oak family. I have contacts everywhere. So I'm I'm not just going turkey hunting blind anywhere. I'm hunting with a buddy from the outdoor world. We're wearing the turkeys no matter what, wherever we go. I can't imagine these guys that drive across the country and just go, you know, coyote howling or owl hootin' or whatever, trying to find a turkey everywhere. You know, and it's uh it's getting pretty rough out west, too, as far as people coming out here. And I mean, I think honestly, my opinion, I think they ought to make every state a one-bird state for non-residents.

SPEAKER_08 53:58

I'd be 100%, man.

SPEAKER_06 53:59

Yeah, that'd be fine with that. Except Alabama.

SPEAKER_08 54:03

True. Or landowners. Yeah, there you go. There you go. Yeah, or landowners.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

They need to work at least. What about lease or Lanny? What state has more turkeys, Alabama or Texas?

SPEAKER_06 54:15

Uh probably I'm just gonna have to say Texas because of the size of it. Yeah, I think it's I think it's neck and neck, but it's it probably is Texas by a couple thousand.

SPEAKER_02 54:25

But I know Alabama's got a lot of turkeys.

SPEAKER_03 54:26

I'd be happy if they happier if they would make it where you didn't have to, if you own some land in a state, you didn't have to buy a non-resident or some kind of discounted.

SPEAKER_08 54:36

I I guess that. Yeah. But at the same time, funding those state agencies might be the most important thing. You're no you're right. So I'll try to tell people quit griping. What's what's a go out there and get a hunt somewhere and get a guided hunt somewhere. What's it gonna cost you? Thousands of dollars. Way more than that. So what's a couple hundred dollar license? Just suck it up. Yeah, it's for a good time.

SPEAKER_02 54:58

Suck it up, buttercup. Yeah, yeah. You can move to the Ponderosa and then buy a Mississippi one. There you go. Yeah, don't take too much of the secret away, but California is probably the least expensive place in the country to hunt turkeys.

SPEAKER_08 55:12

Sounds like it from what you took.

SPEAKER_02 55:15

For $65, you can get a uh $65 plus an upland stamp, which is like $20. So for $85, you can come out here in the spring and shoot a turkey a day for three days.

SPEAKER_04 55:27

And just bring a fuel bladder for the back of your truck and bring your Mississippi gasoline with you.

SPEAKER_05 55:33

Roll on. We ought to go, Lenny. I look I mean Dudley? I'm in. Toxic, let's do a road trip. He's selling. Hey sound. That's toxic.

SPEAKER_06 55:43

He is not gonna ride in the truck with us all the way down to the road.

SPEAKER_08 55:47

Have Bobby like step in front of me before I get ready to go out there.

SPEAKER_06 55:50

There's probably a Bucky's on the way out there we could stop at. If you're hunting with Bobby, you need to let him sit down first. Is this the only thing I'll tell you? We go, Perry.

SPEAKER_03 56:00

You can't imagine what we're doing.

SPEAKER_08 56:01

We've got to do a whole podcast on y'all back and forth with each other because it's we've it's a duel, man.

SPEAKER_03 56:07

It definitely spooked and ruin a hunt just trying to one up. You would getting up and moving after we sit down.

SPEAKER_08 56:16

Perry, they're like they're like two like little boys at the house raising them. And after a couple times, I've said, I'm never reminds me of Diane with the twins when they were little. I'm not taking them anymore. They don't know how to behave when they're both there.

SPEAKER_02 56:32

Bobby, they're gonna take your e-bike away before you even get it.

SPEAKER_04 56:35

Oh, that's right. He doesn't need to be on an e-bike. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:39

Well, well, well, y'all are welcome to come out here whenever you're ready. There's plenty of turkeys for sure. Yeah, you could keep hold that thought.

SPEAKER_04 56:46

Um what about I want to learn about some deer stuff. What about? I mean, I've none of us around here know a whole lot about black tails. What we need to do a whole podcast on blacktails. We should, yeah. Yeah, we should.

SPEAKER_08 56:58

How's the venom? How's the how's the venison on a black tail compared to white tail?

SPEAKER_02 57:03

Uh there's there's no better venison than whitetail. I don't know what it is about white tail, whether it's in Idaho or Iowa. It just it's tastes better.

SPEAKER_08 57:13

It's good. It's really good.

SPEAKER_02 57:14

But black tail's pretty good too. They live up in the mountains or down here in the valley. The mule there's I mean, you know how venison is. It's how you take care of it in the field and how you prepare it, you know.

SPEAKER_08 57:24

Oh, how you age it everything, yes.

SPEAKER_04 57:27

So, do you guys have muleys and black tail that like live in the same area? Or I mean, aren't they kind of the same? Are they the same genus? I don't even know.

SPEAKER_02 57:37

No, they're according to Bone and Crockett, they're not, and Pope and Young. But we have California has nine different deer species or subspecies of deer. Like the Inyo mule deer, the uh burrow mule mule deer, the black tailed Columbia blacktail deer, they have a hybrid deer, mule deer, um and if they're they're scattered all over the state. So we we have what we call a transition zone because our deer migrate on both sides. So the mule deer migrate into the black tail area, and vice versa. So finally, what we've done, we have a ranch that's on the east side that's not in it's in the mule deer area, but we consider them blacktailed deer. So uh Boone and Crockett came up with a program where you can DNA for $100, you can send in DNA off of your deer that was killed in that transition area. And if it if it comes out 90% blacktail, they'll put it in the book for you. And and we did that on this ranch, and uh we've now got five black tail deer off of that ranch that's not in the boon the Boone Crockett area. We have five deer that qualify in the record book for black tails. So they obviously deer are gonna intermix, just like I mean, the turkey thing. I mean, there's pretty soon there's not gonna be a purebred turkey anywhere.

SPEAKER_04 59:07

Well, let's hope not. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_08 59:10

I mean, they at least they don't migrate like ducks. Yeah, the genetics intersperse so much faster on migratory species.

SPEAKER_03 59:18

Absolutely. So, what we're learning, there's a lot of wildlife diversity in California. Oh gosh. Toxie, I've I've always been intrigued with the I'd love to see those big giant redwood trees. Uh, you've probably seen them.

SPEAKER_08 59:30

I have not. I I have not, actually. With when the girls went on that trip I was telling you all about, the most fun thing they did, they rented for half a day like a like a sprinter van deal, but the toll top came off. So you're riding through the very narrow roads in the redwood forest, and you're literally feet from these giant trees. They said it was the coolest thing they did of the whole trip.

unknown 59:51

I bet.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

I need to do that. Mess my hair up if I find that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 59:55

Yeah, they even had they had one, you've you've seen famous pictures of them, but they had they had a spot they went through where the road they cut out to make the road through the base of one of the trees and didn't even harm the tree. Still alive. I've seen that photo? I want to say they said, Dudley tell me, a thousand years old, isn't that right?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:11

That makes sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:12

I think that's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:13

Isn't that the Sherman tree, maybe? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:16

So, Perry, I've recently read they took a picture of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:20

Uh well yeah. So Perry, I've recently read where um if I I may be mispronouncing this guy's name, John Muir, M-U-I-R. John Muir Forest, yeah. So it at some point he wherever they wherever Yosemite is, he shows up out there, and the first time he sees that it's so beautiful it makes him cry. So I mean, I kind of want to see that after reading something like that. It's got to be some pretty landscape.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:52

There's a bunch of that in our great country. It really is. It really is.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:55

And all those old Ansel Adams photographs.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:57

But are you sleepy?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:58

No. You're yawning over there. Well, I'm over here.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:03

Landy's a little low on sodium today, Tyson. Yes, and Landy's bad. Actually, I am too.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:07

Actually, I figured you'd make me tell this story at some point. Well, hey, Pope.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:11

Not today. Not today. Not today. Not today. All right. Thank you for talking to us about it. Uh you know what? Uh if the Mexico thing, goodness gracious, what a story. I'm just glad it doesn't happen. Yeah, thank goodness you're all right. Yeah, everything turned out.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:24

It's not a regular deal for sure, but it is harrowing for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:28

Yeah, we appreciate you telling the story. And uh look, we usually ask our guests a trivia question, but I'm told you've got a trivia question you want to ask us. Oh, here we go. Turning the tables.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:38

So uh, ask Bobby. I want to see him get embarrassed.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:41

Are we still undefeated? Yeah, yeah, we are. So this is the whole group, including Richie. Richie, tell us about our trivia question. Get ready. Get ready, Lance.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:48

Uh tell you about the trivia question that Perry's gonna ask us.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:52

Well, no, tell us about the peanut patch.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:55

I'm I'm betting out in California, Perry doesn't even know what a peanut is. They got peanuts in California. Yeah, they got peanuts.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:03

We got almonds. We got almonds. Almonds or almonds, how are you saying?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:06

Almonds. Almonds.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:07

So in all your travels down the down the corridor down there to Mexico and everywhere else, so is uh is boiled peanuts a uh good snack for you on the road?

SPEAKER_08 1:02:18

What peanut? Yeah, you must have said that slowly read boiled peanuts.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:23

Boiled peanuts. Boiled peanuts. Are they a good are they a go-to snack on the road?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:29

I don't even know that I've ever had a boiled peanut.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:32

Well, we're gonna fix you up.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:34

Send us to the clouds. Oh, your life's gonna change. My my uh snack on the road is uh, you know, spit sunflower seeds.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:45

Those are good too. If the state of California will let us, we're gonna send in a uh uh a can of boiled peanuts to you. And what about our folks at Golden Eagle? Yeah, they've uh well they're doing great. Yeah, can I tell you? I've been meaning to tell you all this about Golden Eagle. Toxic, you you might care of this.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:01

So there's this young lady, Tyner Bowling, this hundred and something year old brand Golden Eagle. They make this great syrup. They buy this and they're kind of reinvigorating it and all this. And we're supposed to have a conference call, and she can't be on the call because she's gone to Africa. Oh. And I thought, now, this is how cool is this? She's over there in Africa hunting and doing all this. So when the next week we have the call, and I want to ask her about hunting in Africa. No, she was not hunting in Africa. She's over there on a ministry to help. It's called Tweetwater, and they're they're digging wells together. I've told them. God bless her. God bless her for the charity. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:45

Our buddy uh Logan Cook's charity uh does water wells and things.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:51

We're very water rich here, so it's it's so I wanted to give Tyner a shout out.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:56

And that timer comes from a salesman that Mossy used to have a long time ago. Will Will Tyner? Yeah, there's somehow. You totally canceled everything by bringing his name up.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:06

Hey, we don't want a Will Tyner story, do we? No, there's lots of Will Tyner stories. Shout out to Will. I have enough. Perry's got a smirk on his face. It was not a good story.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:18

So let's get back to our trivia question. Yeah. We're 100%. I'm knocking on wood here. Here. Uh, but uh, let's give him a try.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:27

Okay. You already ruined one of my trivia questions, which was what state has the most biodiverse wildlife? And that obviously is California. So let's try this one. What turkey species resides in Alaska?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:44

Whoa. Let's think about this for a second, because I'm not aware that they're so it's like a subspecies of turkey. Like we have.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:51

Well, he's not going to do leading the question. I'm gonna say I've got my answer.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:57

I'm torn.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:58

Ask it how you how you listen to how you ask it. What is the question one more time?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:02

What turkey species resides in Alaska?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:08

I can't Google it. Oh.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:09

I'm just gonna say none of that.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:11

I'm gonna say none too. I'm right with you.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:13

Yeah. I'm with you. No, that there is that long finger coming back towards, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:17

Is that a huntable population?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:20

Yes. Well, they're there then. Okay, change my answer.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:26

I I mean you know, there's some other birds over there. There's like that pigon, and then well, why is it chasing 49?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:37

Why wouldn't it be chasing 50 if there's a turkey?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:41

That's where my head was.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:42

But then there's that weird uh Russian turkey thing uh that we've heard about in another podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:49

Well, there's the black one with a yellow head in Australia that you can't hunt, the bush turkey.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:55

Um what is it? It's like a double, it's like the two words of the same. Same word.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:01

Um but I didn't think they had a native wild turkey.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:06

Have they not introduced some easterns? I mean, I know it had to be a native.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:09

If they don't have a native, it would be introduced if it'd have to be way down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:13

Can we ask if it's native or uh introduced?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:16

Is it it's inner it's introduced. It's gotta be a Rio then.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:22

You're gonna go Merriam. Yeah. I would I would say I'd say Merriam more mountainous, too.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:26

I'm going eastern. Richie?

SPEAKER_06 1:06:30

Guess another one. None of them Osceola. No, no. Go ahead and guls, the mountainous. Go Goulds. It could be golds. Yeah. So we got goulds, we can name all the species. That's right. There's no way we can get it wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:45

Yeah. So so it is Merriams. Alright. And some nothing. Wait a minute. You just followed my lady. 100%. And when you say huntable species, it's all it's privatized. So they did introduce they did introduce Merriams into Alaska that didn't survive for public hunting. There is no DNR tag. It's a privatized private ranching turkey hunt in Alaska.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:11

Well yeah. Preserve, a hunting preserve. I think that's what they call it.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:15

And they're mostly some of the ones that live around Palmer, Alaska, and around that area are kind of town birds, and they highly recommend that you do not go there and try to shoot them.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:27

Yeah, somebody might get upset.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:31

That's why they don't have it as 50, is because it's privatized. There's not not a lot of them. They're small populations, but who knows? It may become one sooner or later. There's definitely survival rate.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:44

Well, we learn something every day. Yeah, we do.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:45

Yeah. Perry, do you ever watch our television show on the outdoor channel Tuesday nights? Um, I do.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:51

All right. Do you ever watch this on YouTube? Aren't we on YouTube? We we sure are.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:55

Well, I don't watch the television show. I take that back, Bobby. I do watch YouTube. I don't take real TV here. I'm not gonna pay $149 for cable TV, so I just stream what I want.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:06

$149 won't touch what we have to pay. It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:10

Yeah. Look, so here's my tip of the day. The friendly app is like $9.99. It gets the outdoor channel and the sportsman's channel and bonanza. Bonanza. I have gotten to where I love Ben Cartwright on the he's just such a wise guy. Hoss Cartwright, dude. It's all about Hoss. I like, well, I like Ben. I like he's just such a wise older statesman.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:32

Can't you like in the Jefferson zone then? It is Jefferson. Samford's son. I mean the classic.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:38

That's on the um when I get my hair cut, Mike. So he has a TV. That's still broadcast.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:45

Tip of the day, Perry, get you the friendly app. Friendly app. Very cool. 999 is a butt better than 150.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:52

I don't know if I have room for any more apps on my phone, though. Sorry.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:56

So Bob, before you cut them loose, Perry, in front of God and the whole world, I just want to thank you for everybody at Mossy, what you mean to us. The kind of loyalty that you display and your belief in us and everything we got going on cannot be measured. And so that's a lifetime deal. And so thank you. Because you have been from day one, never faltered, you know, and never been one of those leaders that when there's an issue, you want you wonder how what you can do to help or fix it, not pointing fingers or complaining or fit fussing or whatever, you know. So thank you for being a leader like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:32

Well, well, you Toxie, I appreciate that, and you all as a family make it really easy to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:38

He's not wrong about that. No, no. But I mean it's you know, and he's got further to travel than just about any of the other pro stabbers. And he you turn around, he's right here.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:48

That's what I always mean. Like, you know, I thought he felt we saw him so much.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:51

I'm like, yeah, but it's you know, it's not just talk about family and all. He he because he genuinely loves being around all the people. And it's it's it's really rewarding for me to see that amongst a huge group of people. Yes. You know.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:05

Well, uh later this month I'm actually going with Hart to a uh total archery challenge.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:12

TAC. Unbelievable. Did you talk to him after his last one? It was unbelievable. I want to say they had 5,500 people competing, just the people competing in the archery competition. Yeah, that's cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:27

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, Perry, next time you're here, I need you to give us some BMX advice on so this bike we can know how to get up to learn some Rambo.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:38

I want to learn some sweet jumps.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:39

Yeah. Yep. Well, on your e-bike. I want to watch Bobby do some sweet jumps. Yeah, yeah. If you start doing that stuff on an e-bike, you're gonna get hurt because those things are pretty heavy. We should, yeah, Bobby. You should try.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:50

I was thinking Dudley would be a good one.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:53

All right, Richie, do we have any wake up, Richie?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:56

I'm over here alive and well. Yeah, yeah. So uh, real quick, some uh just back checking. You know, you guys talked about the Sherman tree. Yes, so it's in uh California Sequoia National Fork, is the largest living tree on earth by volume. Wow. Uh it's amazing too much. 275 feet tall and is estimated to roughly be 2200 years old.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:18

Dudley, you gotta make a trip to that. You really, when you're in them, you feel like you're like walking with the dinosaurs. It is 36 years. It's gotta be like going to church.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:26

It's gotta be like going to church.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:28

And the seed, it's just so plants are so amazing. I'm not even gonna get off on that right now. But plants are amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:34

They are and earlier we asked the question who has more turkeys, Texas or Alabama. Alabama. Uh over Texas has over 500,000. Wow. And Alabama is around between 300 and 400,000.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:48

But I would say per capita, oh, yeah. Alabama's got it going on a per square. Roll tide per square mile.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:54

I don't see that many when I go, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:56

I don't know what happens. If there's that many turkeys in Alabama, how come they're so dang smart there?

SPEAKER_08 1:12:01

That's why there's so many, because they can evade. They can't evade.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:06

And one last thing, when you mentioned it earlier, GKTV kicking off here in July. Yeah, we kind of got a new format, though. Yep, brand new episodes coming out on Outdoor Channel, nine o'clock on Sundays. Uh, yeah, nine Eastern.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:19

Tatiak and what what time is that central?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:21

Eastern.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:21

So it's nine o'clock Eastern. That's right. That would be uh no, it's nine o'clock central. It's eight o'clock central. Nine o'clock eastern. Mark this time, Codrich. It's nine o'clock eastern. Eight o'clock central. There you go. I have no idea where when where Perry is. It'd be six o'clock out there where he is. And I've learned something. I've learned there's an Alaska time. So we got a guest from Alaska coming on here soon. I'm having to work out the time difference.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:50

Do we have any giveaways coming up we can talk about? We uh the Gorilla and Meat still giveaway is still going on, so get signed up for that. And we're gonna be giving away a Rambo e-bike. Yeah, we will. So uh get ready for that. That'll probably start in July. Again, grill and meat's really going hard right now, so be sure and get signed up for it. We're gonna give it away at the end of the month, uh, and then we'll kick off with the Rambo promotion.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:12

So you know I can tell when the TV season is coming up because Richie starts getting here a little bit earlier in the mornings. I get here and he's already his hair's already frazzled. He's working on something.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:22

So you say I can't I come in late when it's not the uh TV season?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:25

No, you come in at a normal time. Come on, don't try to turn that around on it. You get here, he was here before I was this morning. What? Yeah, that's early.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:34

Just one of those days.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:35

Doing work, baby.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:36

All right, guys. Perry, thank you for being here with this week, thanks for what you do for the brand. Uh Landied, I, Dudley, maybe Toxie, uh we and Richie, maybe we might show up out there in California this next spring if you invite us.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:49

Uh you're you're all welcome. Uh uh. There's plenty to go around. If anybody else is interested in hunting any kind of game out here or anywhere in the West, our company is uh just just for hunting, the word FOR, just for hunting.com. And uh we got all sorts of ranches here in California and all around the West for any hunts you're looking for.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:11

Yeah, go I would expect some correspondence from Meeting and check out his website.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:16

He's got an amazing team. Uh, you can you can read all about them. Uh years and years of experience in the field out there. Yeah, it's a very good crew.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:27

Not just turkeys. The most recent pitchers might be turkeys, but this this year I actually harvested the latest turkey I ever harvested was on uh May 30th in Oregon.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:39

Wow. Big old Muley on the front page, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:43

All right, Perry, we appreciate it. Guys, looking at uh Laney, is there anything else we mentioned? The gorilla giveaway. The grilla giveaway.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:49

Yeah, yeah. Rambo coming up. Busy summer. Yeah, lots of stuff going on. Look for more content from us. Also, uh trees will be for sale pretty soon.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:57

Summer issue is coming out.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:59

Uh all food plot scene, seats backing into the warehouse right now. So get ready for some uh availability really soon for our guys up north. Doc, so you played golf lately?

SPEAKER_08 1:15:10

No. I haven't played golf in years.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:11

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:13

I'm too broken up, unfortunately. I'm gonna have to get some work done. Maybe if I fix my knee and my left wrist, I might could play again, but by then my back. So I'm on the neck and your back? My neck, my back. Back, knee, wrist. I'm broke down. I hate to hear that. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:30

We only knew when we were younger to take care of ourselves, huh, Tosh?

SPEAKER_08 1:15:33

Correct. Yeah, a little late now. But hey, I'm not complaining. Yeah, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:39

Look, you can win a free hunt if you go to justforhunting.com. Look at there, Bobby. Click enter. Oh, Bobby. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, you might get to go.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:47

I'm gonna sign up for you, Barry. We'll just what y'all want is a free hog hunt in California.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:53

Now, this says free two-day hog or turkey hunt. I think we'll opt for the ore. Yeah, we'll go with the ore. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:00

Yeah. We we hit we hunt the turkeys and incidentally shoot the hogs.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:04

Okay, that's cool. We ain't coming out there to shoot hogs. Why don't you say goodbye, Dudley? Goodbye, Dudley. Get us out of here, Richie.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:12

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